ESB eCars

No. Statistically you are 3+ times more likely to have to queue up if you have a CCS car as opposed to having a CHAdeMO car. So I'm simply suggesting that needs to be balanced accordingly.

That would be nice personally, and it would nicely annoy some people on here... But it would be completely impractical

ESB unit in Limerick, this happened to me in dublin too. I pull in and I'd say about 20cm short of being able to reach the charging port (the car beside me was on the correct side for the cables ), why are they designed to such a tight tolerance.

I always assumed it was ESB being cheap. Longer cables mean more resistance, so to maintain the power at the plug you have to up the thickness. I imagine a 500A cable isn't cheap, especially those water cooled ones

I see the leaf bashing still continues. Every site should have chademo available. Leaf is still sold. There are other cars out there and even tesla with an adapter that can charge on chademo

Providing dedicated unit for this is which my own opinion would be a waste, hence ecars offers plugs for both on each station (Mayfield the exception). So when a chademo car does pull up it can charge. It's first come first served, deal with it besides getting all high an mighty.

The unit is there which is the bulk of the cost, it gets a ccs connector, so relax that with the fact they just add a chademo connector as well.

Just because you bought a car with css, you don't need to get snobby or that you are somewhat superior to those on chademo. Just being a total

Don't know how you get your statistics or your pulling assumption out your, as said it's first come first served. If there is a ccs in front you you will need to wait, if there is a chademo in front you also need to wait.

I can't say this for sure, it would be my belief that most chademo cars would be a smaller battery so they are likely more likely to to stop before the 45 min mark. CSS with bigger battery may stay the full 45 or longer

So I'd say you be waiting more because of that than a anything

Problem is lack of chargers, not the ports that come with it.

So after eCars finally giving a commitment to an October date for the replacement of the Derry 50kW, the charger has now shat the bed completely. Red button is hanging off.

Ecars now going back to "no definite date" for replacing it.

Lads in Sierra Cosworths be doin the donuts around them, and sometimes hit them...... they claim it's unintentional, but in reality they are trying to hit them for they fear the future.

I think our conclusion was always the same, rather than wait for an ecars competitor I think if I won the Euro millions in the morning I'd start my own business of EV hubs

I don't think it's THAT cheap, a CCS plug alone costs a few hundred for a 125A capable one which gives you 50kW on a 400V car

The 10% figure came from Ecars, a while back they did a report which included a statement saying that having dual standard chargers only added 10-15% to the cost IIRC

I think a bog standard DC charger these days can be bought for under €10k (taking a quick look at Alibaba I found several for $6000, but that's before taxes and ESB ineptitude is added in). So if Ecars own statistics are true then you're looking at around €1k per charger, probably quite a bit less

So a thousand dual standard chargers would cost €1 million more than a thousand CCS only chargers. Pretty much pocket change when compared to general infrastructure spending

Also the way they place the chargers can be stupid. I can never understand why they can't place a charger that any car can park and charge at the front or rear of it.

Had the pleasure of using J14 Mayfield today twice, id3 in for update and had to use the i3 rather than the garage supplied Kamiq. Between being terrible to drive, petrol costs, no dashcam and no toll tag the i3 made more sense despite needing to cover 300km’s in a 18.2kwh car- Rex came in handy as always-

Arrived at Mayfieid 10am with 3% battery, no signage to find the chargers or I missed it, only one space available, had to reverse in onto the hatch marking separating the parking bays to get the cable to reach. Waited at the car, id4 driver comes back and makes a face at my parking. I told him I had no option as the cable would not reach. He looks 3 stalls up to the now free spot and says I should have parked there instead ….lovely fella

Afternoon charge was grand as there was a free charger to access the drivers side charge port -

would have had the same issue in the id3 - albeit the battery 99% of the time doesn’t need public charging. Unbelievable how busy it was at that ‘hub’-

Esb I think 10 years ago said it cost 50k per site with a triple head. Easygo are using cheaper tritium units but they are still over 10k and possibly 20k for 75kW models (guesses). Chargers also need to be smart, online and integrate to ESB's billing and app system. Software changes alone for new models of chargers could be relatively high. Then typically they would go through a tender process for a full integrated system with X years free warranty and Spares. They they need to source a free site with 50+kW spare as grid upgrades cost $$$$ and can take 6 months. Laghy the recent install should have been 100kW+ but the grid costs made 50kW X 2 happen. The planning permission, ground works, heavy duty underground cabling, little boxes and maybe transformers all add up to a hefty total cost, and that's excluding all the admin staff at hq on esb wages $$$

Even easygo have said (prior to high price rises) that multiple 50kW units on one site don't make financial sense, and they don't seem keen to roll out multiple chargers next to motorways preferring hotels away from motorways.

If I won the lotto I would consider 2 or 3 hubs at key sites, where the grid already existed, where a restaurant, hotel or petrol station would agree to partner and where there is room for 8+ 50kW+ chargers. Start with say 2 chargers, but put in ducting and pillars for more. The other key thing is to advertise them properly, 99% of EV drivers don't know easygo exist, and even if they do they don't try visit their few DC sites on cross country trips. I have used easygo DC in Bray and Wicklow town, kinnegad, Monaghan (removed later) and DCU. They are great backups if not ideally located and being slightly higher than esb means miserable people will avoid them. They also have stiff competition from ionity & Tesla who don't need to make profits on public charging.