What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Yes, tell yourself there are no slums in Europe. Live in your blinkered fiction.

Tell yourself that the impoverishment of parts of Africa is in in no way caused by the treatment of Africa by Europeans and many others. Live your Blinkered fiction

Tell yourself Europe is all peace and light, and ignore Kosovo, Bosnia, Russia, NI from the last 30years alone, before we even go back just another generation of two and see how “civilised” European culture can be.

Tell yourself that it’s not just skin colour and religion that informs your view of a single European “culture” when in fact Europe itself, old Europe, is multicultural with many distinct cultures throughout the continent, some of which overlap each other to a greater or lesser extent and some of which overlap those in other continents, to a greater or lesser extent. Mediterranean people have more in common with each other than Greeks have with Norwegians or Lebanese with Indians or Egyptians with Congolese.

And where do Bosnians or Albanians or Turks from Thrace or Azerbaijanis fit into your Europe? Because they are Europeans.

I suspect I will get back more Gates of Vienna type stuff

I also understand that you're shifting goalposts. But let's go with this then. The boundaries/borders drawn in Africa were only done to a limited degree by European empires, but many of them were drawn by the powers of the time, and also the influence of Turkish states. Yes, I'm sorry, but there were African kingdoms that continued throughout the eras of colonialism, and retained their own borders. Then there were also borders drawn along geographical lines, due to disease belts which prevented expansion by the European powers.You've decided to exaggerate the practical influence of the European Empires, because if you look at some of the older maps of Africa which relate to the more powerful (and even some lesser) tribes, the modern (1900s) borders align pretty well with what they had.

Africa is a tribal nation, where different tribes often hate each other, often commiting outright genocide, but enslaving their enemies when it was profitable. Yes, the colonial powers scattered the Tribes, but it happened too by the Africans and the Muslims before the European empires landed in Africa. Centuries before.

As for propping up warlords and dictators, yes, definetely. During the colonial/imperial era, and again during the war of ideologies with Communism/Capitalism... but you're fooling yourself if you're so willing to dismiss the fact that these regimes were enabled by the African people themselves. After all, their armies/police forces were Africans.. those who worked the economies that supported them were Africans.

But nah. It's so much easier to pass it over to the Western powers, and absolve Africans of all responsibility throughout history.

I've read this three times, and I still don't get what you're trying to say.

The only obsession with race tends to come from posters like yourself accusing others of having such an obsession. This claim came up before (which the mods deleted) and it matches pretty well with what you've just posted. I countered it then, and honestly, I can't really be bothered to counter it again. Some people just want to focus on the racism angle rather than counter/deal with the actual objections raised.

Especially since most posters have referred to the cultures involved and how that encourages integration/assimilation, whereas you've decided that it's all about skin colour.

You started off reasonably well. Oh, you've applied convenient selections when it comes to history with quite a bit of revisionism, but at least you were attempting to engage in a discussion. The above, though? Seriously?

Meh.

And right there, you've shown that you have no real idea what this thread is about, or how the term multiculturalism is applied.

Then you haven't been paying much attention.

Culture equal identity. Without a distinct identity, assimilation occurs, and multiculturalism cannot exist. Whereas when cultural identities are elevated/protected, foreign groups are encouraged to retain their original identities, leading to a society which is made up of a diverse selection of cultures, distinctly different from each other.

Which leads to discrimination and racism, furthering the positions of those who advocate for multiculturalism because activism leads to great book deals, conferences, and NGO appointments.

90% of Zimbabweans speak English. We were both occupied by and expelled the English, many sporting pursuits are the same, common law legal systems, clientalist political representatives, religion in the western rather than eastern Christian tradition, both places had a golden age prior to being occupied...I could go on.

Greeks see themselves as being like Northern Europeans because what the don’t see themselves as , Turks, rather than what they actually are. Greeks in western Thrace cans Turks in eastern Thrace are almost the same people though sharing a heritage going back thousands of years, as much as they want to tell themselves they are more Norwegian

and I don’t get your point on multiculturalism when my whole point was that Europe was already multicultural and there is no such thing as a single European identity or culture as much as you want to tell yourselves there is