Next British PM

ancapailldorcha · 12-08-2022 8:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119461959#Comment_119461959

Yeah. HMS Truss will sink on contact with reality. I think the Tories are either at the point now or rapidly approaching the point where they're going to be unelectable. We can see the effects of climate change first hand now and they're still trying to protect energy companies' profits. By pandering to 0.3% of the population, they debase themselves further in the eyes of most of the rest.

Sturgeon has been running government in Scotland for years in a competent, reality-based manner. She'd obliterate Truss or Sunak.

PommieBast · 12-08-2022 12:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119462045#Comment_119462045

Did you miss out an un- ??

Back in early-2021 my thought were that they'd already blown their electability so may as well just ram through as much more crap as possible while still in office.

ancapailldorcha · 12-08-2022 12:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119462969#Comment_119462969

Corrected.

Your issue is that you've overestimated their nous. No amount of Daily Mail gaslighting can obscure what's going on now regarding the cost of living and climate change. They've overreached and the world loves to punish nothing so much as hubris.

PommieBast · 13-08-2022 1:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119463018#Comment_119463018

I'm not really thinking about obscuring things. I'm thinking about things being so blatant and out in the open that the vested interests behind the party have no restraint in what they will push for while the party is in power.

Rail privatisation was rushed because of the expectation Major would lose 1997. I'm expecting the current lot to do things like this on steroids.

breezy1985 · 13-08-2022 3:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119466470#Comment_119466470

I don't think this crowd are intelligent enough to put through far reaching legislation.

Strazdas · 13-08-2022 3:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119461959#Comment_119461959

I also get the impression she is quite rude in private. Both Sefcovic and Coveney appeared to come away from separate meetings with her a bit shell shocked and in very bad form. It sounds like she was shouting the odds and not even trying to be diplomatic.

Spanish Eyes · 13-08-2022 4:30pm

Be great if Sunak conceded now and let her have it. Would hasten the fun of seeing her being Trussed up by her own petard.

Sam Russell · 13-08-2022 5:02pm

I think if Sunak does not win, and does not get the Chancellor gig, he should resign his seat.

L1011 · 13-08-2022 8:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119468361#Comment_119468361

Ultra, ultra safe seat, Tories could sent a donkey with a blue rosette up there and they'd keep it. Wouldn't have any impact.

Sam Russell · 13-08-2022 9:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119469425#Comment_119469425

No seat is safe at current time. Even Tories might rebel.

L1011 · 13-08-2022 9:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119469769#Comment_119469769

They've had a brief Liberal time in the seat there since the 1880s. And Sunak isn't some locally popular character who might be able to cause a backlash.

They'd keep the seat.

Strazdas · 14-08-2022 11:10am

Looks like Truss is planning to wage war on both the SNP and Sinn Fein. It's hard to understand her strategy, not unless she thinks pursuing an 'English nationalist' agenda is a strong vote winner.

https://twitter.com/BelTel/status/1558727620266790914

pixelburp · 14-08-2022 11:47am

If she wants SF to stop looking the voice of reason, she could start by implementing the NI Protocol and stop cockteasing the DUP. It's the only reason SF have swung into view as the adults in the room; by basically, doing nothing except maintaining the status quo.

Of course she won't, that's fantasy on my part. A successful Northern Ireland is an uncomfortable reminder of the folly of Brexit.

nigeldaniel · 14-08-2022 11:48am

Liz Truss does look like the winner at the moment.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/14/uk/liz-truss-profile-mcgee-intl-gbr-cmd/index.html

I confess, I never had her down as the winner on day one.

BonnieSituation · 14-08-2022 11:57am

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BonnieSituation · 14-08-2022 11:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471065#Comment_119471065

“In Northern Ireland, Sinn Fein remains eager to drive a wedge between Northern Ireland and Great Britain and push themselves further and further away."

Well, I for one am shocked that SF are now looking to take the north out of the UK. Didn't see that coming.

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It's funny how's she's just repeating the "one family" Unionist bullplop that Boris and May started their premiership with. And all they managed to do was damage the Union further. She's going to be those pair on steroids when it comes to speeding up the welcome disintegration of the UK.

pixelburp · 14-08-2022 12:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471230#Comment_119471230

It's an astonishing degree of hubris and idiocy that seems to think the best way to cure the nationalist itch within the countries in your ... ... is to antagonise the very parties of nationalism, via anglocentric nationalism. I've said it before but it just makes the SF/SNP marketing departments' jobs so much easier; while attacking the North and Scotland's emblematic sense of self just drives more division.

Truss is a fool. Glib to say, but true.

ancapailldorcha · 14-08-2022 1:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471253#Comment_119471253

That's not the point. She's pandering to 0.3% of the British population to get elected as leader of her party. After that, she'll continue in this vein as bellicose English nationalism always needs a fresh enemy. The union is doomed and it's because of the largest Unionist party on these islands.

Empowered separatists are future Liz's problem. Same as David Cameron, the can just gets kicked down the road.

Strazdas · 14-08-2022 4:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471230#Comment_119471230

It strikes me that her stance could well see her in breach of the Good Friday Agreement. The role of the British government under the GFA is not supposed to be to oppose / block Irish nationalism and to promote NI unionism.

Sam Russell · 14-08-2022 5:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472286#Comment_119472286

The British Gov are supposed to implement the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement, and the included NI Protocol.

So far, they are short on nearly all matters, and are now in a serious legal dispute with the EU - which is a forerunner to a trade war, which will only have one winner - (Hint - it will not be the UK). Remember Johnson telling the HoC that the EU it can go whistle for the billions owed by the UK to the EU after Brexit - I wonder what happened about that.

Truss is a talentless fool, with little chance of long term survival.

I hope she does not declare war on somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere to bolster her chances of success at the next GE, like her heroine Thatcher did against Argentina to save a windswept island covered in sheep.

pixelburp · 16-08-2022 6:44am

Well, Truss managed to trot out all the fun Jewish stereotypes while dropping in a bizarre "woke" attack on the civil service at the end.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/12/liz-truss-protect-british-jews-antisemitism-woke-culture

BonnieSituation · 16-08-2022 5:17pm

I honestly haven't a notion what she's even trying to get at. It's bananas.

Strazdas · 16-08-2022 5:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119481815#Comment_119481815

The Tory leadership and membership have gone barking mad. All paranoid nonsense about "lefties", woke people, civil servants, Remainers etc secretly plotting against Britain and against Brexit....they've gone full on Trump.

Though arguably, there is a method to their madness. They actively want to live in a deeply divided country, with all the white English right wingers on one side and everyone else on the other (perhaps they see this as a way of the Tories remaining in power forever).

breezy1985 · 16-08-2022 5:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119481884#Comment_119481884

The fear is astounding. People from dreary shthole towns that no immigrant would be caught dead in worried it will be "over run" with black, asian and South American people like they are told the London boroughs are.

Strazdas · 16-08-2022 6:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119481914#Comment_119481914

Absolutely - many of them living in total kips in various parts of England that nobody would dream of moving to, worried about migrants from other countries "ruining" their way of life.

BonnieSituation · 17-08-2022 8:47am

And now they're over to Ireland today to wow approx 500 Tory members. The Tory chair in the North was saying on Morning Ireland how he's become more and more impressed with Liz Truss as time has worn on.

I think he meant he's become more and more impressed with Liz as it became clear she was going to win and he wanted to back the winning horse.

He was asked about the NIP and couldn't really explain why it was bad and also something something green channel. It's farcical.

Sam Russell · 17-08-2022 9:15am

'He was asked about the NIP and couldn't really explain why it was bad and also something something green channel. It's farcical.'

Perhaps he was mixing up 'Green' vs 'Orange', or 'Green' as in better for the environment, or perhaps he was mesmerised by the problems at Dover. He was strongly in favour of the NI Protocol bill that will remove the protocol - but oblivious of the consequences.

He could not possibly disclose the actual number of Tory party members, but did acknowledge that the Tories only got 0.07% of the votes in NI in the 2019 GE.

This is truly UK democracy in action.

pixelburp · 17-08-2022 9:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119483838#Comment_119483838

I always boggle a moment when I remember the main UK parties technically exist in the North. What must that be like? Sitting in your little 1 room office above a chip shop, never invited to anything even tangential to "mainstream" in the Politics Industry; always a passenger to events as they happen. It's a wonder the parties exist at all.

Sam Russell · 17-08-2022 9:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119483955#Comment_119483955

The Labour Party do not have a presence in NI. I doubt the Libdems have one. The SNP would not see a reason to have one. There is a Green Party in NI.

retalivity · 17-08-2022 9:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119482105#Comment_119482105

You also have places like Bradford that voted to leave, they already have a sizeable 'immigrant' population, in the sense that the immigrants arrived 50-60 years ago. These are effectively pulling the ladder up behind them, voting for the tories to do this and supporting the guys who would have subjected their families to discrimination and racism on arrival, and ideally would have kicked them out.

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