What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

The GQP don't know the meaning of the meaning of the word "Bipartisanship" (partially because is has five syllables)

It really is mental. Like these places where the minister for health states that drinking special tea and prayer is a guaranteed vaccine against Covid (And then they die from it). Remember bleach and shining lightbulbs internally?

It really is shocking that the posterchild for core GOP values is now not considered extreme enough. (Well actually it's not). I said months ago, that these things escalate. First it was Obama birther thing, then pizzagate, then election fraud then... JFK Jr returning to run as Trump's VP. What happens when trump and MGT and the others aren't extreme enough. What happens when an American David Icke comes along and says he wants to get rid of the giant lizard people? (They wear human form you know). You KNOW these conspiracy theories about hidden governments/politics always go in one direction....

I ask anyone: Pro-Trump, anti-Trump, Dem supporter, GOP supporter, GQP supporter, what do you think the US political landscape will be like in 2050?

We all have our biases.That's fair enough. I'll go first:

I am not American but would consider myself pretty liberal (Although not as liberal as some). I would side more with core Dem values than GOP values. However I have respect for some GOP core values: A strong military is required for a superpower in the real world. However I draw a line between trump/GQP and the GOP. I believe the GQP's targeting of conspiracy theorists, racists, homophobes, general xenophobes, science-deniers, right-wing religious groups etc, is leading them down a path of hate and fear of the different.

I hope that this will change (Probably not until 2030 or so). That the GOP will regain their party and level heads can engage in meaningful discussion and cooperation. I HOPE this happens. I am an optimist and I believe it will happen.

When that movie Idiocracy came out it was blasted as being mean-spirited. But... The last 6 years? It's less of a stretch than it was.

Anyway, I've posted quite a bit here lately so I will give it a miss for a while. It's just too bleak.

Wait, hold on. Isn't that Trump effectively admitting to holding onto classified documents? Of course he thinks it offers cover, but he has now landed himself in a complete mess as he has admitted that he lied, through his lawyer, when stating earlier that all documents had been returned.

He can't claim that he didn't know the documents were still classified, his excuse for holding them was not that they weren't classified but rather that he didn't trust the NA to secure them.

On the lawyer point, infinitely smarter folk than me have said that a competent lawyer would have moved for a restraining order against inspection of the documents in order to ascertain what was privileged and what was not.

Apparently Michael Cohen's team had one filed within 4 days.

Nothing so far from Trump's team!!

I think it is that effectively those people looking to offer excuses for Trump don't actually know anything of the situation. We see it here on the threads. Posters come out batting for Trump based on Trump's initial line, but then look silly when Trump changes tack due to additional information becoming available.

I think it is the same with the likes of Hannity & Tucker and the other talking heads. They take their lead from whatever Trump says and try to fit an argument to that, before then having to change tack when Trump changes.

Remember MTG initial baled the FBI. That is all nonsense now, the FBI were pretty much perfect in this (that doesn't mean he is guilty of course). Not it turns out Trump was holding on to the documents deliberately so all those excuses look silly.

These people aren't going to be brought back to reality any time soon. They're all in on Trump now, like the People's Temple were all in on Jim Jones. Look at how that turned out.

The problem is that if you look across smaller state-run elections, more and more election deniers are being elected to important state legislature roles. They'll be quite happy to throw out election results if they don't favour the Dear Leader. Democracy in the US only survived in 2020 because of people like Brad Raffensperger and Rusty Bowers. If the likes of those people get replaced by Trump devotees, free and fair elections are going to matter less and less.

And that's why the ridiculous court cases and sworn affidavits brought by the Trump team in the wake of the 2020 election don't really matter. It was never about successfully demonstrating that fraud took place, but rather about planting that seed in the mind of voters and generating political will to restrict voting rights and install Trump loyalists in positions that would make it easier to circumvent democratic results in future elections if those results aren't to Trump's liking.

Respectfully disagree.

He main hold the base, but moderate republicans, independents and democrats will not stomach Trump for 4 more years.

I am hoping he runs frankly.

The midterms will be an indication but only truly relevant at that moment in time.

"There are very few moderate Republicans left in places of influence - they either go pro-Trump or lose their ats a la Cheney"

The people running may win the nomination, but it's all about what the public want when it comes to the elections. Sure, there are examples of extreme trumpite candidates winning but there are also examples of those losing.

Red states may remain red, but there will be a lot more closely run elections in battleground states.

"The democrats aren't doing anything worthwhile to inspire confidence."

The fact is they have. There is a problem with messaging but they absolutely have passed key legislation. They need to nail that **** down. The problem is, Trump's legal woes are a lot more interesting to people so little time is spent informing folks on positive news.

I can't remember who it was, maybe John Oliver, who did a piece about how the Democrats keep focusing on Federal elections; the House and Senate. The GOP put a lot of effort into the State elections; local judges, school boards, mayors, State officials etc.

It helps the GOP because it gives them greater control in what happens within the states, what's being taught in schools, police budgets, state laws, gerrymandering and also voting laws (how many polling centres, where are they, what ID is needed, voting registers etc).

That's a huge part of why the GOP maintain the hold they have over a lot of states which could otherwise shift away from them. The Dems aim for the level where they can do big things nationally, but the GOP are more focused on more numerous, smaller changes throughout the country.

Trump has created and fired up enough of a rabid base at low levels who will seep into those school boards and local official levels that will end up having a huge impact further down the line.

Also the food he claims to eat coupled with his bizarre theory that humans have a finite amount of energy like a battery so he refuses to do any formal exercise isn't gonna leave him long for this world

Can you imagine the conspiracy theories of he did die?

If anyone is absolutely guaranteed to live to the age of 100, it's Donald J Trump.