Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Again you can't compare Australia with anywhere else and they kept people away from each other and the country securely locked down for two years. Europe and other places had massive exposure to all variants of COVID in comparison and built up a level of immunity. We do get bad flu' seasons but it merits little more than a brief commentary and the HSE take care of it.

The trouble here is that you seem to be pointing a finger at the Ukrainians as the risk when it's anyone who could be at risk of severe flu', particularly the old and frail. There are not too many of those in the refugees.

So Ukraine is mostly "untouched" now (for purposes of discrediting refugees in the EU + stirring up anger perhaps), yet also (on other threads, where different arguments are called for) situation is hopeless, Russia's already taken over about 1/5 of the country, will likely get the rest or just destroy it unless Ukrainian govt. goes to Putin now, sues for peace and surrenders.

"Mostly untouched" Ukraine is pretty much just western Ukraine. Scroll back a couple of pages and you'll see a list of recent attacks on "safe" central Ukraine, including shelling right beside a nuclear power station. What was the exclusion zone imposed around Chernobyl, again, when it had its disaster? 2,600km2?

I think people have this idea in their heads that Ukraine being attacked would be like Athlone getting attacked and everyone else is a stones throw away

That would be great if Russia were throwing stones, but they aren't they are firing cruise missiles, range is not a problem.

They are also firing from Belarus, again missiles not stones.

""Although Ukrainians will still be able to travel to Ireland without a visa, people who have been granted refugee status in 20 other “safe” European countries will now need a visa before they can travel here.

Justice Minister Helen McEntee said there was “evidence that there may be abuse” of the system, adding that the visa exemption “is being exploited” by those who have already sought international protection from other countries""

So we are blocking otherr refugees from doing what large amounts of Ukranian refugees are doing?

That is so logical.

Yes, you that is exactly what you can do. As a general rule, we get the same flu season here as the one the Australians have just had. So it is very likely that we will have a bad flu season. Why do you think so many media outlets are reporting about it and warning Europe (and USA)?

Yes, I agree, if there were less people sick last year and exposed to the virus then it is possible that is the reason for their high flu season this year, with other factors to take into consideration. But it is also worth noting that it doesn't seem to be a single strain causing the problems over there. They have been calling it a 'twindemic' among other things. So it is unlikely that most would have been exposed to all of the strains running amok over there.

I am not pointing the finger at Ukrainians as the risk, I am pointing out if the flu season hits us as hard as expected, our hospitals are going to be under severe strain, even more so with an expected extra 100,000 in the country, of which a large amount will be living in close proximity of each other. It will be a sh*tstorm, and they will probably have flu flights over to Benidorm, is close to what I said, I'm not going back to look it up. I didn't actually believe they could have flu flights at the time I posted it, but now I am beginning to.

Just to be clear for the umpteenth time, I lay 100% of this, on the morons in charge. From the EU who don't seem to be aware of what they are expecting of us, and very much our incompetent, weak government who can't seem to get anything right and seem more interested in doing deals to get their buddies contracts etc. rather than actually tackling or even seeing, any issues. They seem to have a serious problem with maths.

I have evidence

That isn't evidence, that's an anecdotal claim by an anonymous person on an internet forum.

Spain do provide financial supports for Ukrainians, as do every other EU country.

I've no idea how you got talking to her or why she decided to pump you full of misinformation. 😕

Also I thought she was going back to Ukraine?

You'd swear you never stepped foot outside the front door or never experienced life beyond RTE or something. Not everything is a lie just because it goes against your unwavering heightened sense of moral standing that comes from "defending" people you don't know.

Get a job or something.

The house is a mansion, it belongs to a retired business man who spends most of his time in warmer climes, I've seen it, the Ukrainians are working in the mushroom factory I said I didn't know the setup, could be part cash in hand, its common enough, anyway they are well looked after but it doesn't seem any thanks are forthcoming, but keep walking around with your eyes closed swallowing the ngo's speil and the fluff pieces on radio and tv where no hard questions are ever asked and lets see what the outcome will be long term

Your ignorance knows no end does it. It there any subject at all that you don't talk through your arse about.

Not so easy to find people for that business but I guess they'll be gone as soon as they find new workers, mushrooms have to be picked on time or you end up with a tunnel full of rotting mushrooms, the business man doesn't need the money, it just he was infected with the "all ukrainians are as white as the driven snow" virus at the time and decided to do a good deed, but he'll survive

You're not Simon coveney by any chance Taurean?! He thought we could get up to 20k back in march, who could have foreseen our full dole n free everything policy could have reaped such numbers! Literally no-one!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/up-to-20-000-ukrainian-refugees-could-come-to-ireland-says-coveney-1.4815140

Where and how do you find "them" to be "pushy and arrogant"? Are you hanging around the centres they've set up, loitering near the accommodation they've been assigned to? For someone who doesn't seem to like Ukrainians, you seem to encounter them a lot. I mean, there may be many more around me than I realise, but I've no way of telling who is Ukrainian and who isn't when I'm out an about, unless I'm going somewhere where I specifically know there'll be a lot of refugees.