What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Yes, that was a horrible past that happened throughout Europe from east to west. So even when it comes to horrible stuff there is more in common with the Eastern Europe than with Africa.

Nope... just that it's ' less attainable ' because more in demand.... :) so BIG changes...

It is not "stereotyping", which is a lame argument. How can one say multiculturalism is better if you don't agree that people from foreign lands are different. If they are different then they are stereotypically different, just like the Irish are stereotypically different from the English. You have to look at it as the culture as a whole, rather than showing one individual in any culture isn't stereotypical of that culture. If you invite Polish people into the county, or any other nationality, you are inviting the stereotypical culture as well. You can't get away from this fact.

It’s the very definition of stereotyping - making broad generalisations and attributing them to any group, whether positive or negative, IS stereotyping. I’ve never said multiculturalism is better or worse than anything, I’ve always maintained that it’s the outcome of people with different cultures and values sharing a space, whether that be in a political or social context. I don’t have to look at any culture as a whole or anything else when it’s individuals are being assessed for their eligibility to be able to live in Ireland and contribute to Irish society. It’s not inviting Polish culture into the country when inviting Polish nationals into the country, any more than if one was to engage in negative stereotypes about the Irish people - we’re a bunch of pious, spud-munching, drunken wife-beaters who are quick-tempered and live to fight. It’s not a fact that needs getting away from, because it was never established as a fact in the first place, because these are all negative stereotypes. We’re not all ignorant thugs, a stereotype exemplified by Conor McGregor -

https://m.sundayworld.com/showbiz/irish-showbiz/irelands-first-openly-gay-referee-slams-conor-mcgregor-for-using-homophobic-language/41791320.html

Nor do we have a ‘culture of homophobia’, as some people would wish other people would believe -

https://gcn.ie/culture-homophobia-ireland/

Even if up until recently we had some dodgy discussion points in the teachers material for the SPHE curriculum -

The Department of Education removed online teaching material criticised as "homophobic," which asked secondary school students to discuss a number of statements, including whether "all gays molest children".

The material was included in online teaching resources provided by the department for social, personal and health education (SPHE) classes at Junior Cycle level until recent months.

The teaching booklet directs students to read through several statements and outline whether they agreed or disagreed with them.

The statements said; “all gays are HIV positive”, “boys who don’t play sport are gay”, “you can change from being a homosexual”, “girls who don’t wear make-up are lesbian”, and “homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to marry”.

The Relationships and Sexuality Education (RSE) teaching material had been written in the late 1990s.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/department-of-education-removes-homophobic-teaching-material-1.4724061

Islam is guilty of being homophobic. End of. It's not stereotyping to say Muslims are on the whole homophobic, even if some aren't. They largely are even in the UK as was found in a recent survey, which showed a majority of UK Muslims believe today that homosexuality should be illegal. 

That’s the end of it as far as you’re concerned. However I don’t believe it’s quite as simplistic as that at all. It’s very much stereotyping to suggest Muslims are on the whole homophobic. It’s literally the definition of stereotyping -

a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing.

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/27/caught-in-middle-queer-muslims-lgbtq-lessons-schools-protests

https://theconversation.com/amp/what-its-like-to-be-gay-and-a-muslim-61128

https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2021/05/27/gay-people-are-reclaiming-an-islamic-heritage

If I visited a Muslim country I would hide that fact I'm gay. Do I have a bad attitude towards Muslims, for stereotyping them, or am I being a wise bird? I'll go with my instincts thanks. I would rather be accused of stereotyping than have my throat slit.

Since you asked me the question directly, it’s clear you DO have a bad attitude towards Muslims, based upon stereotypes. Go with your instincts all you want, personally I’m not sure 2Bn Muslims are likely to care one way or the other about you personally tbh, they’re not all that different from anyone else who just wants to go about their business and has no interest in the culture wars or any of the rest of that nonsense. It’s far more likely they’ll disappoint you by not living up to your expectations based upon negative stereotypes. Leo managed to do a whole tour of the region last year with the aim of strengthening trade links and international investment, and managed to make it back in one piece -

https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/news-and-events/department-news/2021/november/13112021.html

I think you did say multiculturalism was better a few posts ago, where you argued that if there was only one culture it would more likely give rise to a totalitarian state, and you gave the historic Catholic Church's grip on Ireland as an example of that. Did you not say something like that?

And I don't have a bad attitude towards individual Muslims. I've known loads of Muslims in the UK through work and socially. Although I must say I did get vibes off Muslim colleagues at work but I always put that down to them not getting my sense of humour, and that's being generous I think.

And anyway, I'm not saying we are better than anyone else, which was the gist of your argument with your Conor McGregor example. I have no superiority complex over anyone else. I know full well that were one is born, and the circumstances one was born into, very much dictates how one will turn out, one's values, one's opinions and so on. I'm only being realistic, not prejudiced.

I do love the response everytime someone points out how immigration is making things worse for irish people and the answer is always things were bad anyway so it doesn't matter.

Except their is a big change this year where Ukrainians are in student accommodation and students have a lot less accommodation then previous years.

You know that and you know it is a big change this year.

No more disappointing than irish kids who have spent the majority of their lifes working through school to get to college and are in the same situation.

Actually a lot more disappointing for irish kids.

It's not fair on foreign students and Irish students that the government have an open door policy when we don't have anywhere to put them.

This will only get worse on everyone while we keep adding to the population while not building enough places to keep up with the numbers coming here.

Do you think they appreciate being used as tokens? Are they anything more than good africans to you @[Deleted User] ?

You would wonder will it ever come to a point where Europeans are no longer blamed for Africa being, what it is...

How many 100s of years??

OK, it's clear now that those two Irish athletes, born and raised in Ireland, are nothing more than good African immigrants to you.

Why would you parade them here otherwise?