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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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    #842
    Pawwed Rig
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    No one commenting locally that they missed appointments or that their elderly aunty couldn't get into town. Funny that



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    #843
    markpb
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487785#Comment_119487785

    Imagine major road works causing traffic congestion! It’s a total shock, I tells ya. Owen should look at all the other cities that performed water mains renewal under main roads and managed it without any traffic problems at all.



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    #844
    Seth Brundle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487785#Comment_119487785

    Yesterday, around lunchtime, I went from Leixlip to Clontarf and back via the works and there was no congestion. There were a number of private cars travelling inbound but not too many. There were no queues of traffic nor were there any other traffic issues.

    So, if you managed to see a queue of traffic two weeks into the construction works, then that tells me one simple thing: there are too many people who make the choice to drive through extremely well publicised road works.



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    #845
    spurious
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    Is there anything work-wise actually happening on the North Strand at the moment? I see lots of barriers and cones, but no workers.



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    #846
    Sir Galahad
    Registered Users Posts: 722 ✭✭✭Sir Galahad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119451876#Comment_119451876

    No members available to do upcoming VIP escorts so that gives you an idea of how short on man power they are.



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    #847
    Phil.x
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119488097#Comment_119488097

    Do you even know where I'm talking about. Stop trolling



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    #848
    Phil.x
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119488044#Comment_119488044

    Trolling.



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    #849
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,561 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119489911#Comment_119489911

    I grew up near enough to that area. I went to school in Fairview. Yes, I think it is fair to say I know the area very well.

    What has that got to do with anything though? My point still stands - the only thing causing traffic congestion there is the number of drivers who choose to drive there!



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    #850
    Phil.x
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119489933#Comment_119489933

    Your point is null and void, there is now no left filter lane so the straight through lane has to take the additional cars right until the left turn, but I'm wasting my time explaining to an anti-car twitter cyclist.



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    #851
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,561 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119490629#Comment_119490629

    The junction has been narrowed so why are people still continuing to use it knowing that they will just add to the congestion in and around the road works? Traffic congestion is solely caused by people who make the choice to drive. It isn't caused by pedestrians, cyclists, train or bus users, horseback riders, people on scooters or people in hot air balloons causing it - would you like to prove me wrong like a mature adult or are you happy to throw out childish insults at anyone who challenges your obvious bias?

    Oh, and for the record, I'm not anti-car so if you wish for me to take your insults personally, then you'll need to try harder!



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    #852
    Citizen Six
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119490629#Comment_119490629

    It's not that many additional cars, as the left lane was fairly short anyway. People will learn to adapt. I know I'l be turning off right at Sheriff St. Upper now anyway. I'm sure plenty of other drivers will too.



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    #853
    Thelonious Monk
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119487785#Comment_119487785

    Owen Keegan is it? I thought it was Eamon and The Greens' fault? At least that's what they're all saying on Facebook.



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    #854
    markpb
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119492676#Comment_119492676

    You should know by now that Eamonn and Owen pulled on their Lycra and their hard hats and decided on the traffic management plan after pints one Friday night. After a rowdy evening of cackling at motorists expense, they went home and burned an effigy of Connor Faughnan.



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    #855
    Thelonious Monk
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    The thing is I don't think Eamon or Owen were in positions of power when this thing was proposed in the first place



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    #856
    Citizen Six
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    Wasn't Keegan still still in the process of destroying Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown before he moved on to destroying Dublin City.

    It's mostly the Greens fault though. And just wait until the next election, when the people who never voted green anyway, are going to vote them out!



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    #857
    cgcsb
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    It is quite funny to see. We live in one of the most consultative democracies in the world. You can hardly take a piss without 3 rounds of public consultation and a statutory appeals process and a high court review.

    But people who I'm sure are otherwise intelligent, are stone cold convinced that eamon and Owen are supreme dictators and they've developed and designed every minute detail of the pitiful few sustainable transport projects we have. And it's not like we elected a government on a platform of improving public transport and cycling, which was central to the manifesto of FF, FG and Green party. It was also a key deliverable of all opposition parties, so not sure where this idea that they are being dictated to, the vast majority of the electorate voted for it.



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    #858
    magicbastarder
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    there's also that cognitive dissonance of 'i hate those ineffectual salad eating greens' while also believing that they're running riot with the country and there's nothing FF or FG can do to stop them.



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    #859
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119492828#Comment_119492828

    Indeed, what's more these policies are only going to be rolled out further and more often in a lot more areas regardless of who is in power



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    #860
    cgcsb
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    Indeed because its one of the few policies that has complete cross party support and indeed grassroots support according to the consultation and planning processes. Aside from the rural coalition of independent TDs going from 5 seats to a majority over night, they may just get used to it.



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    #861
    growleaves
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    Consultative my hole.

    The Government put people in lockdown and then DCC were reducing roads with bollards for cycle lanes put in when no one would see it happening.

    I don't remember political parties campaigning on dismantling road networks or a big debate before the last election.

    The story then (early 2020) was that electric cars would replace petrol cars. Now it seems 'carless' cities and ripping up roads is the 'solution'. So much for electric cars.

    I agree however that it is not confined to the Green Party. Not sure why people are so focused on them.



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    #862
    Citizen Six
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119492933#Comment_119492933

    Who cares if it was or wasn't seen? It was going to happen regardless. The bollards were mainly put in to protect cycle lanes that were already there. So your gripe is that vulnerable road users aren't as easy to kill anymore, is that it?

    Electric cars will replace petrol cars, but car dependency needs to be reduced overall. Making other methods of travel safer is part of that approach. As is making public transport more reliable and available in all areas. The story you are listening to about cars replacing other cars is driven by car manufacturers, who don' t want their sales numbers to drop.



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    #863
    magicbastarder
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    I don't remember political parties campaigning on dismantling road networks

    where is this happening?



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    #864
    Seth Brundle
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    I don't remember political parties campaigning on dismantling road networks or a big debate before the last election.

    The story then (early 2020) was that electric cars would replace petrol cars. Now it seems 'carless' cities and ripping up roads is the 'solution'.

    What roads have been dismantled or ripped up?



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    #865
    growleaves
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493010#Comment_119493010

    Nope my point is that there wasn't a big debate before the last election.

    In 2020 or 2021 announcements and articles started appearing about getting rid of cars altogether.

    DCC's approach generally is to just to tell people "this is the way it is now" and to go ahead restricting cars.

    Here is an article from Rte.ie where one interviewee says e-scooters will be substituted for cars in Dublin. That is an obvious decline in living standards and one of the steepest in history.

    People in the middle ages could ride in a horse and carriage but the people of the future will ride around on scooters like children?

    https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2021/0311/1203432-why-dublin-could-be-a-completely-car-free-city-in-10-years-time/




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    #866
    Thelonious Monk
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493052#Comment_119493052

    getting rid of cars would improve living standards for all and we'd be healthier for it. Cars ruin cities.



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    #867
    cgcsb
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119492933#Comment_119492933

    Bollards were only placed on existing cycle lanes or were placed to part-deliver cycling schemes that our elected reps had been promising us for 10 to 20 years, for example the temporary and now permanently substandard liffey cycle route.

    I haven't heard of any scheme that involves dismantling the road network and I'd I'd fairly tuned in to what's going on. Perhaps you can enlighten me?



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    #868
    growleaves
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493126#Comment_119493126

    Disagree and in Ireland in particular the public transport network needed to absorb the extra passengers from banning cars won't be ready in time.

    Thousands of e-scooters barrelling around would be a nightmare. Pedestrians will be under siege.



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    #869
    bikeman1
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    Had a chat with a delivery guy:

    "Ah jaysus, the traffic mental around the Northside now Fairview is closed up"

    I replied, yes it is a pity all those people driving into town wouldn't use the public transport available.

    "Oh but, they'd use it if there was a decent service"

    Well, if I go down to Fairview right now, there is a bus every 30-60 seconds going along, plus a DART every 10 minutes.

    "Oh yeah, I suppose. It'll be mental when the schools are back"

    Why are these kids being driven to school in the middle of Dublin. They can't be more than a 1km from their school?

    "Ehh.... it'll still be crazy..."

    Same as last year so...

    "Thanks have a good day!


    People just love a good moan. It's part of the Irish psyche.



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    #870
    Thelonious Monk
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493154#Comment_119493154

    they're already under siege from cars, pedestrians are regularly killed by motorists, sometimes after they've mounted the pavement, many incidents of this in Ireland in recent years.

    There are tens of thousands of cyclists out there in Dublin already and they're not sieging anyone.



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    #871
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,407 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493052#Comment_119493052

    How odd. The least car dependent cities in the world also have the highest standard of living in the world. Vienna, Copenhagen and Amsterdam have dramatically improved standards of living since they took steps to reallocate road space to sustainable modes. Why would you connect a drop in standard of living to this when all evidence shows the opposite? The escooters are for children comment is frankly childish and as logical as saying cars are for children because there are toy cars.



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