Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

So I guess you've missed the multiple public consultations on reducing car access to various places in the city then? That would have been a good place for you to have your say, but instead you think DCC just do what they want to reduce car access.

And do you really think people were roaming about the country and all heading into cities by horse and carriage in the middle ages?

People ride on scooters as it's a faster way of travelling for people, rather than using car or just public transport. Not everyone is entitled to drive wherever they want, whenever they want.

If every car user in Dublin decided to take public transport tomorrow the whole system would collapse.

Granted there is eight years to expand further but I would guess it won't be ready in time.

but no one is taking anyone's car from them?

Now you're just making assumptions. Did I say I was allowed to drive and park anywhere I like? We're discussing 'carless' cities - e.g. a total ban on cars in Dublin by 2030

Growleaves seems nice at least but I honestly can't tell if it's some kind of parody account

are there plans to stop cars driving to the airport?

Carless cities are being promoted heavily in the media.

There is a carless city planned for West Dublin and I take that as an indication among others that cars are being phased out.

If Dublin were to become carless then cars would be unable to drive to the airport.

any examples of carless cities being promoted in the media? The carless suburb in West Dublin would suit a lot of people, I'd love to live somewhere with no cars.

You are having a laugh now.

You still have the freedom to have a personal vehicle.

A bicycle or e-scooter can carry luggage.

You can't ride an e-scooter from Baltinglass to Derry, much the same way I can't drive my car from Dublin to Inishturk.

Okay so when you're going to the airport or to stay at a friend's with two large suitcases you jump on an e-scooter?

You're the one having a laugh.

You are living in a fantasy land, thinking that cities will become carless. But car dependency needs to be reduced. You just can't understand that, because you only seem to care about what you want, and not the greater good.

There is no mess in Fairview. There's temporary road works taking place.

You are the only one talking about someone taking two large suitcases to the airport on an e-scooter.

'A terrible diminution of living standards' can you back this up with anything at all? Because I've studied this extensively and living standards have been vastly improved in cities that limited cars and reallocated space to sustainable transport modes. Take Amsterdam for example which was chocked with congestion until the 1974 oil crisis precipitated a change in policy and a vast improvement of air quality, health, accessibility, reduced journey times and a whole host of other benefits. I've never came across a city that had the opposite experience as you are claiming.

Furthermore Dublin is one of the few EU capitals that has almost no restrictions on cars...yet. You don't like escooters, ok, but what's your point? You aren't required to use one, merely accept that they are a vastly more energy and space efficient means of moving a single person around than a car.

That's an old adage?