Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

That these welfare tourists are better off than the majority of Irish taxpayers they’re leaching off- it would seem pretty self explanatory really

I’m saying that come winter the EU may force Ukraine to negotiate and even give land to Russia if their energy is cut off. The average person will be more concerned about inflation and blackouts than a country on the very edge of Europe that isn’t even in the EU. That’s just human nature.

And when that happens Ireland will probably get another big boost to numbers as the other countries tone down or recind their welcome.

Yes because happily I’m not a total idiot in denial- the welfare dependency figures speak for themselves.

Sure, yeah when I see a lad driving a 70 grand BMW I automatically think he is on welfare. There is zero room for critical thought isn't there?

Ukrianinans won't give up welfare to work the minimum wage jobs unless the welfare is cut off, they will just be leeching off us till paddy wakes up and puts an end to this madness.

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What exactly is it you're trying to prove, here? Why do you keep calling all refugees "welfare tourists"?

There are, undoubtedly, some welfare tourists - there are scammers and freeloaders in all walks of life, from multi-millionaires paying cash-in-hand to workers in Mayo, to ministers responsible for company regulation not making the declarations to SIPO that they're supposed to, to people who've been on the dole their whole life with no intention of ever finding work. They're a minority.

Not every refugee you see or meet is a "welfare tourist." You can have been a success in Ukraine with a nice house and owned a BMW X3 or a Peugeot 5008 - and have driven it west when your country got invaded and your house was blown up. Or you just feared your town was next to be invaded. Or shelling of the nuclear plant 50k away made you decide to get the hell out of Dodge.

I really don't see how you don't understand this. Is it that admitting most refugees are genuine would somehow diminish an argument that we've taken in enough? Or just xenophobia?

Nope. While undoubtedly some will be in the black economy (which, y'know, requires Irish people employing them illegally), one in four refugees are already working and are registered as such.

In reality the EU green zealots are hell bent on this bankrupting “Green” deal. That’s what happens when Uber privileged head in the clouds ideologues like Van Der Lyen and her ilk occupy the levers of power.

Total fantasy rubbish that is impoverishing ordinary citizens today

Absolutely- the transfer of wealth from the lower middle classes upwards has been unprecedented. EU policy reinforces this as endless nanny state bureaucracy stamps on the necks of ordinary citizens

Since you have access to the figures,. how many of those working are still receiving benefits? Be it free accommodation, FIS, or other welfare not available to Irish citizens in full time employment.

This anonymous poster on an internet forum actually provided a source for the figures, a few pages back. CSO charts and figures, IIRC. 24% of those Ukrainians eligible to work are registered as doing so, despite 66% of those attending specially organised Intreo events having "challenges" with English.

See previous reply.

Irish people are, of course, also entitled to social housing, WFP (formerly known as FIS), medical cards, etc., even if in employment. That's literally what WFP is for!

As pointed out here repeatedly, though, saying "the majority of Ukraine is completely untouched by war" is just completely untrue. At the start of the war, the invasion came from Russia and Belarus to the north, with the main invasion column getting as close as 30km from Kyiv. Then the majority of the action pivoted to the Donbas region in the southeast. But there have many attacks on southern and central Ukraine, too, as recently as last week. I was in the habit of posting a list of such attacks every time someone said "it's only the southeast, the rest of Ukraine is safe" - maybe I should start doing it again. Eight million Ukrainians are already internally displaced. And there is absolutely no guarantee that the front won't move further west.

Real war. Real refugees.