Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Nope, the study does not show no link between covid and "heart issues". Read the study again. Where does it assess heart failure?

This much wider study shows the opposite for more serious conditions:

Researchers found that rates of many conditions, such as heart failure and stroke, were substantially higher in people who had recovered from COVID-19 than in similar people who hadn’t had the disease. What’s more, the risk was elevated even for those who were under 65 years of age and lacked risk factors, such as obesity or diabetes...

The risk of heart failure increased by 72%, or around 12 more people in the COVID-19 group per 1,000 studied.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0

And what do you think? People who had broken legs weren't going to A&E? Why do you think A&E might have been quiet at mid-day during a lockdown?

Did you wander the ICU wards and count beds?

Maeanwhile, some real data from January 2021:

Pressure remains on the hospital system, with 13 hospitals having no available intensive care unit (ICU) or high dependency unit (HDU) beds...Pressure also continues on general bed capacity, with beds full at Connolly, Kilkenny, Mullingar, St Vincent’s, Tallaght, and Tullamore hospitals. In total, there were 194 general beds available in 23 hospitals.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/covid-ireland-records-some-10000-cases-with-no-icu-beds-at-13-hospitals-1244116.html

Breast check is currently a year behind. So instead of having your first mammogram at 50, you’ll be lucky to get it at 51, and thereafter every 3 years instead of every 2. No-one will bother counting the deaths that will result from this.

Now the MSM are telling us that lack of vitamin D caused more severe Covid outcomes. I remember saying this 30 months ago that staying indoors and not getting sunlight could not be healthy. People who talked back then about vitamin D were labelled conspiracy theorists. I even remember a specific NPHET daily conference where they dismissed lack of Vit D as a cause of death. Instead of encouraging people to get some sun they scared them into staying indoors.

https://www.irishtimes.com/health/2022/08/19/insufficient-vitamin-d-linked-to-fourfold-increase-in-risk-of-death-among-covid-19-patients/

As I was saying from the very beginning of this pandemic, the most strategies undertaken by many countries would have serious negative outcomes, and that the secondary deaths that these policies would ultimately cause would dwarf the covid deaths. Things like zero covid, flattening the curve and lockdowns and various other restrictions were short term solutions to a long term problem. A long term strategy was required from day one and only very few governments understood and implemented it well.

Most of the world went to the covid olympics where the only number that mattered were covid cases and deaths with covid. Other diseases and deaths became far less important. Those who did well initially in these games were cheered and admired, while those who didn’t were criticised and ridiculed. New Zealand’s PM came very close to getting the Nobel Peace Prize for how she dealt with the pandemic.

If we however could agree to such a strange concept nowadays that all deaths matter and death with/from covid is as important as a death from day a heart attack, and look at all deaths with excess deaths as the one and only KPI, how countries like NZ, Israel and so on would fare?

Israel, NZ, Netherlands, Finland, France, Iceland, Norway and many other to various degree are experiencing unexplained deaths (outside of covid deaths) this year. At the same time Sweden is doing just fine and did not have excess deaths to worry about for about 15 months now. Who will win the ‘excess deaths’ olympics over the long run (which is what really matters) remains to be seen but it will not be the countries who embraced lockdowns, flattening the curve and zero covid as they are not doing very well. As with every decision that is to do with a complex system and long time frame the secondary and even higher order effects are more important than the first order effects, and these have to be factored in the decision making.

Pity that our strong and independent media are somehow missing all that. But sure they are the ones who are telling us what games to play. The fact that most countries have let down their citizens will continue to be brushed under the carpet.

You are not looking at the past to.improve the future. All you are doing is looking to criticise people and blame people for decisions you perceive as being poor ones.

Look at this thread to see how casually the rent-a-crowd mob deserted their Covid statistical analysis to go save Ukraine/Climate Change/.. instead. They could not even grasp that there was a gross inconsistency between bring us your unvaxxed children one day and donate your spare room to unvaccinated Ukrainians the next. Tragically they were happy just for the kicking to have stopped and scared to demand to know why. There has to be some criticism or else this is going to repeat.

Jesus, you're one of those....you think they didn't lock down hard enough!!!!

The right thing would have been to follow the science, instead the health bureaucrats ignored them, the media castigated the leading experts in Stanford/Harvard/Oxford etc and the politicians absolved themselves of any responsibility....our meek leader muttered something about science every few days comfortable in the knowledge no one in media would question him!! Locking down healthy people into their homes was a demented health policy, that has and will have a long and devastating consequence for tens of thousands of people, you are so far lucky you are not one of them...but already excess deaths are being recorded all over the world, non covid related excess death!!! These are affecting people, and unlike covid, these deaths will be in all demographics not just the elderly with 2/3 comorbidity's, young mothers, young fathers, young people will be in graves because of the actions of our health bureaucrats....not to mention our mental health crisis.

By virtue of our young population we were never going to face the worst of the crisis, which would have known to experts pre March 2020....instead we subjected our citizens to one of the most draconian lock downs over a prolonged period of time, until just before the war in Ukraine, when, inexplicably all the restrictions were dropped, and what no one can deny at this stage is that the infections come in waves, the restrictions play no part in controlling what happens, the restrictions were a waste of time.

If lock downs work, why didn't they work?

Has your memory given up on you? They were telling the elderly to cocoon and clearing people from beaches and parks. This is from the UK but it was the same sentiment and message everywhere

I never said we didn't lock down hard enough. It's amazing how people read something and come up with insane thoughts about what was said.

Only things I said were about the beginning and Christmas when mistakes were clearly made. I think the lockdown was done right.

How many people do you know that suffered with health because of the lockdown? Like I know thousands of people and I haven't heard of one person who had issues.

We were in level 5 lock down from mid Oct until mid April 2020-2021, nearly 7 months, with a three week period where people could visit pubs/restaurants/cafes under strict guidelines in a futile attempt to stop the spread of an airborne virus in the middle of the winter, something we failed to do....because it was impossible to stop it...we had the highest case numbers in Europe that January despite suffering one of the strictest lock downs....this isn't hard to figure out....the lock downs did nothing, we have seen two waves since restrictions were lifted but came down in case numbers of their own accord.

You think we should have been in level 5 from mid oct until april which does in fact mean you are one of those who believes we should have locked down harder, which makes you insane in my view.

I don't know anyone who hasn't felt the effects of that period, mostly mild effects, what we did to the young people of this country is unforgivable, you might have enjoyed lock downs, but sociable people need to mix with more than their next door neighbours, many people were not allowed to visit family!! Many people didn't want to be visited by people for fear of the virus, it was all insane, a waste of time, and history will not be kind to those who imposed these policies. They were able to frighten the life out of the population using a combination of case numbers and misleading death numbers...it will be interesting to watch the same people ignore the rise in excess death that is already here and will continue for a few years yet!!

It is probably in the ballpark of about 3,000 excess deaths a year in this country over the next 3-5 years we are looking at, even it if it half that, a 5% rise, you are looking at 4,500-7,500 lives in excess death across all age demographics...less than 200 people died in this country from Covid alone since March 2020, the rest all have existing health issues of the more serious kind.

Knowing this country, it'll be swept under the carpet, but in other countries that won't be so easy!!

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about pub goers. So people that go to pubs have a drink problem? So just because you have no interest in pubs **** everyone else that likes to go to a pub? I’m not a pub goer myself but people like you piss me off just because you don’t like doing something or agree with it why should someone else be doing it. Begrudgery , control and all about yourself at it’s best. Covid and lockdowns were the gravy train for these people.

I have always thought that people who love lockdowns have different agendas other than covid. I had one lady smiling with glee at me because her neighbour couldn’t fly to her holiday home during lockdown and another moron patting covid on the back thinking that people locked up along with airports closed were saving the planet from climate change.