Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

Hasn't the world always been this way ?

If you control the narrative you control the "truth" ...

It's scary how little time it takes for a manufactured "truth " or a spin on truth to become an incontrovertible accepted truth ... ( Not just in Russia, or in authoritarian states , but they're definitely at the extreme end of the practice , )

George Orwell didn't invent 1984 out of thin air ...

However, by mentioning it you are implicating Ukraine to a sense. No Russians would have been harmed due to war if it wasn’t for Russia. How does that sound?

I initially replied to a poster who blamed everyone but Russia. You seem to have issue there Russia started it judging by your initial reply. Russia are 100% to blame for every scratch caused by their interference in Ukraine going back years. If they hadn’t interfered, and then invaded, the people I was referring to would not have been harmed as a result. It’s really is quite simple to understand.

I’m replying to you because you were quoting me.

So far there has been no evidence of Ukrainian war crimes, yet you had to mention them. There is loads of evidence of Russian war crimes though. If Ukrainian war crimes are committed I do trust that they will be investigated as the Ukrainian government said they would.

How about Ukraine shelling a Nuclear Power plant endangering the lives of millions of Europeans? Whilst incredulously trying to convince the world that the Russians have suddenly started shelling their own soldiers for some unknown reason in a complex that they have already occupied for months.

How about the Ukrainian forces filming and posting on social media videos of themselves kneecapping and executing captured Russian POWs?

How about the daily shelling of Donetsk City and the dropping of outlawed petal mines where there are no russian military targets but just civilian residential areas? Whilst yet again trying to convince the world that the DPR are spreading them all over their home city to kill and maim their own people.

How about deliberately firing a Tochka U missile into a crowded Kramatorsk Railway station and blaming the Russians on it even though the missiles debris showed a serial number proving it was Ukrainian Stock and could only have been fired from Ukrainian held territory?

How about the whole Human Shield tactics in Mariupol?

Not saying the Russians haven't got their own psycho crew with their own hideous atrocities like the chechen torture video but trying to say the Ukrainians have not committed any atrocities in months of warfare makes you come across as incredibly naive.

Its war. It brings out the worst in mankind. No side is immune.

Welcome back with your Russian propaganda and trolling. I do say trolling because yet again when you have been proven to be talking crap you disappear for a few days and try to latch onto something new.

Civilians were sheltering from the indiscriminate shelling and destruction of the city of Mariupol. The Ukrainian army were doing what they should do against any invading force…protecting their people.

As for the shelling of the nuclear power plant…evidence please. There is evidence of Russia using the turbine room as storage for vehicles however. Russians have shelled their own forces previously in the last few months, so it would be nothing new for them.

Evidence please for the railway station attack. Also a reason! Why the hell does Ukraine need to attack and waste weapons on their own people when Russia commit enough atrocities without needing assistance? It has no benefit at all.

Im not on here everyday because I, you know , have a life where other things happen. No need for the troll accusations.

"Why the hell does Ukraine need to attack and waste weapons on their own people when Russia commit enough atrocities without needing assistance?"

If you believe Russia somehow killed people with missiles it doesn't use, launched from a point beyond their effective range at the time with Ukrainian registration numbers then you go ahead and think that. As for the motive we are talking about a time when they were telling the world that Russia had child rape dungeons and were massacring tens of thousands of civilians. All lies. Also Kramatorsk is in Donbass. A pro Russian area . Zelensky is conscripting thousands of his own citizens into sitting ducks for Russian artillery in the meat grinder front of the Donbass. Do you honestly think he would care about the citizens of a Russian friendly city? They were still at that stage hoping NATO would still get involved directly in the conflict.

The one front that the Ukrainians have absolutely crushed the Russians in is the Public Relations war. Its all they are good at to be honest.

As regards Russian use of "Tochka-U" - where have you been?

Russia only denied using them for a few weeks after their attack on the train station - they were proudly talking about their Tochka-U attacks thereafter once it had served it's FUD purpose- plus there are videos with Tochka-Us being driven around known highways in Belarus, Russia etc.

E.g.: https://www.newsweek.com/russian-official-accidentally-reveals-missiles-used-ukraine-tochka-u-1724266

Put them on the JFK case and watch them solve that in seconds, maybe figure out where the Malaysian airliner disappeared to..

And yet for all their investigative prowess they still can't get to the bottom of the Anna Politvivskaya and the Zarema Zadulayev-to name only two of several unsolved killings-murders.

Must be the world's worst terrorist to then leave a mountain of proof for the authorities.