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Can Sinn Fein fix the housing crisis or is it beyond them or anybody else?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    If it was true why has FF/FG with more seats locally and in government for years continued to make it worse? Its a head scratcher :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    The majority of people want to work, pay their own way and be able to maybe buy a house one day. FF/FG policies are taking this away from more and more people so the electorate is looking elsewhere. Its that basic.

    FF/FG won't change tact because many of them are making too much money off the crisis. All they can do is waffle and throw shapes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Not sure why you are so confused, we are talking about Dublin, the centre of the housing crisis, Sinn Fein announced in 2014 when they took over they would build houses, then didnt

    Its an excellent example of Sinn Fein promises to get elected and performance after election. Which was dire!!!

    Now I have been clear and concise!!! 👍👍👍👍

    Best of 🍀 luck to you



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Nah, you are. Repeatedly. You are claiming an opposition party with less seats on council than FF/FG combined, for less than 5 years single handedly 'destroyed' housing all while FG were in government. And since then FF have more seats as do FG and they are both in government, housing has gotten worse. Understood.

    Still dodging, has housing improved in DCC district with FF having the most seats, FG having the second most seats and both being in government? No. Its gotten worse hasn't it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    They should have the ability to take rent at source, end of story. This is replicated across the country with non paying tenants.

    The money from the rent can then be reinvested in repairs and new houses etc. How many houses could DCC buy/repair etc with 32m



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    That might work. Taking rent at source. Not sure of the legality.


    I don't have much faith in DCC ability to repair stuff .....how long do roadworks take??



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Both capitalism and socialism have left a generation behind. That is the problem ..from the building and sale of a house FORTY PRECENT of the profit goes towards TAXATION. ....That means half the price of a house is TAX.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    If you are trading one home for another you should only be taxed on the difference and only if you are making not losing money. If you have a second home you should be heavily taxed on that. If you are a speculator during a housing crisis like Troy you should be hammered with tax. If you are a sitting minister you and your family should be barred from any property deals.

    Once the profits are denied FF/FG, they might look to tackling housing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I can understand why you say that regarding second homes.


    However I have another point of view. RIGHT NOW we have a crisis.


    It's not normal times. Any taxation on any properties second or first only drives the inflation. No one should be hammered with tax until its sorted out.


    It might be hard for leftists to understand or accept that. It doesn't matter whether its a second or third house ..its part of the market.


    Secondly I don't think you are really understanding what i'm saying.


    IN THE BUILDING OF A HOUSE AND THE FIRST SALE in the PROFIT that goes to the builder the landowner etc ...im talking tax on the materials etc...40% of that goes to tax. IMO that is crazy.


    These are not normal times .these are crisis times. Cutting taxation in the building industry and on the building materials and on houses ALL houses severely is necessary for at least 5 years.


    Don't forget builders no longer can access finance in london so easily now ....london building companies can't work here so easily now. And oil /petrol costs material shipping costs .....its not just the housing market that drives prices its the entire process.


    The idea that the very construction of a house means so much taxation is not something people realize.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    I was following on not disagreeing.

    'Leftist' is a very loose term. Anyone gouging the public for profit because we are in crisis, should be taxed heavily IMO. Any politicians engaged in such activities should be ashamed of themselves.

    We had a record breaking housing problem for over a decade now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    The issue is money and that’s what holds thing up, money troubles while owed 32m in rent last count I seen

    Roads can’t be compared because any road repair is held up with making sure they don’t block traffic etc

    Taking rent at source? Why would it be illegal? If the person is paying rent then no problem, if they don’t then remove it at source, job done. The tenant has the choice



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    100%

    But in Dundrum they are trying to build up and loads of rejection because the resident might have a shadow first thing in morning in summer….might is the word here

    Also I’m sure I seen SF reject a high ish student apartment because “they wouldn’t suit the area”

    How do you expect to solve housing with that carry on?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    What a load of tosh…people can move houses for any numbers of reasons, work/need more space etc

    Is the answer to everything from Sinn Fein and supporter is to tax everything?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    How are they gouging the public its a private market? We are talking about taxing them....and if the end result is they just pass that on to the buyer .. im sure it works.

    I am not certain but garneshing people's wages generally requires a court order. It does for child support anyway. Dragging people through the courts would only make it more expensive. I get your frustration its totally justified in those circumstances.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    You still haven't answered why DCC district housing crisis has become worse under a FF and FG majority and a FF/FG government.

    The current policy is to tax everyone. My suggestion actually means less tax. But don't let that get in the way of your rant.

    Couldn't tell you horse. Not a SF supporter, not that it matters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    clear and concise

    of course not a Sinn Fein supporter 👍



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I agree its ridic


    I just saw a thread about not wanting to knock a wall because its used for art ...i love art ..i think artists in this country are not respected at all and contribute a lot but avoiding knocking a wall for badly needed housing ...is silly


    Also other parts of the country need more housing and decentralization ....



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Politicians make the policies. So if they are also making money off the crisis, why on earth would they want it to end?

    The state uses the private market, which means it directly relates to the publics fortunes. People are allowed gouge/charge as much as they can, but the government shouldn't be supplying them customers and business.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    There is definitely something wrong with government procurement contracts that have been negotiated when one has a vested interest on both sides.


    But to be honest the only way to REALLY do something about that is to vote them out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I was at horse show today, always go to see the artists and incredible talent. 100% agree the lack of respect

    oh I expect it would but you would give tenants the chance to pay, if they don’t pay they have 1-2 warning and then automatic court order to remove at source, I would expect a legal person could confirm the details

    We have the crazy situation that the government are paying rent allowance to people which should end up with DCC but instead is spent and DCC never receive, like how does that make sense, the rent allowance should be paid direct

    I don’t know how many cases are like this, but heard it from a few people in councils not just in Dublin. Should be easy to stop



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    SF have had the DCC majority though ...they have not done any better than FF or FG .



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I understand the anger 32 million in arrears is unacceptable. It's a shocking figure and we do have to ask ourselves why we are so bad or why the DCC is at collecting rent. And implement a system that collects rent efficiently. I have a suspicion though that going through the courts would only make lawyers rich. But Im not saying no to that if its the only way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    DCC have no power, it’s the same with every county council across ireland, the numbers are growing every week

    What I would suggest is a law implemented and then a system in place for quick judgement, you had 1-2 warning, that’s it, remove at source, no **** around if they don’t attend court and the usual tactics.

    The tenants sign up to the terms with the house they get, if they don’t sign then move on. All existing tenants would be given a period to sign the agreements or if possible just change the regulation to say the new terms are automatic once you are in a council house

    Its harsh but at this stage it seems to be the only option. It’s a pity for all the good tenants, the ones even in arrears that are trying to pay off, it’s always the few bad ones but they need to be shut down



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I'm sorry but the statement that DCC have no power is simply not true. DCC are responsible for rent collection and processing of applications. They are also responsible for planning and development of the city. They have failed on both counts. Not only that they are notoriously inefficient on both counts. Not only that they have taken ridiculous and wasteful legal actions against a number of other state bodies. Resulting in a situation where the state is SUING ITSELF. They have also taken legal action only to spend hundreds of thousands and then drop it against said group.


    This ultimately was dropped after DCC but only after a lot of money being wasted on it ....i mean how fruitless ?



    Not only that you OFTEN get DCC taking action on BEHALF of Business owners like they did against Opium. Why should DCC be taking action on behalf of private business owners? let them take their own action. I would like to know if any DCC members had interests in said business's btw SF was sitting on the DCC when they took the case against opium.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I am taking in specific to rent collection, tenant doesn’t pay what can they do?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    It's quite clear what they can do. They can invite them in for a chat insisting they bring bank statements and see if they are in dire straits and arrange a payment plan in accordance or alternatively find they are scamming. If they find they are scamming they can evict them and ban them from future social housing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Also the biggest increase in non payment was during the SF DCC years, maybe I’m wrong but that seemed to be the highest growth with 1 eviction the entire period

    Sure why wouldn’t people vote them in when they think it will be zero rent from now on in council houses?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Well that didn’t happen, is it happening now? No idea but something needs to be done and from what I can see removal from source should be implemented if the person is unwilling to pay



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I'm not sure if i believe that reasoning. I might be more likely to think SF was less efficient as a landlord. You have to be fair to both parties these people are tenants the state is their landlord. https://www.housing.eolasmagazine.ie/local-authority-housing-maintenance-under-question/


    Within their report, Norris and Hayden also state that an interviewee from the Housing Agency noted that the standards of some social housing stock would breach minimum standard legislation for rented dwellings. International best practice suggests that 65 per cent of social housing budgets be devoted to planned maintenance, but the current underinvestment has left Irish social housing stock in the state in which it now sits.


    SF didn't put the recommended allocations towards maintenance ...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭letsbefair


    One thing for certain is that private builders will have to do the building as the expertise is not in the councils



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