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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XII (The Byrne Supremacy)

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    #10022
    TRC10
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    This is just for fun. A hypothetical pack + subs if we were to go for an all out size approach next season...

    1. Porter
    2. Sheehan
    3. Furlong
    4. Jenkins
    5. McCarthy
    6. Baird
    7. Ruddock
    8. Doris

    16.Kelleher 17.Healy 18. Ala'alatoa 19. Ryan 20. Soroka 21. Conan

    And it actually wouldn't lack much mobility.



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    #10023
    Itxa
    Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Itxa


    You’re basing that off bogus stats



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    #10024
    TRC10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119499493#Comment_119499493

    I actually didn't



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    #10025
    Itxa
    Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Itxa


    You’re not doing it intentionally but you’re still doing it. The stats on Leinster website are either out of date or wrong.



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    #10026
    TRC10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500556#Comment_119500556

    Hahaha so you can read people's minds over the internet, is that it? I didn't bass it off stats. How could I have when I literally don't know what the players are listed as because I didn't look on the Leinster website. How can I bass something on things I don't know?

    I'd be interested to hear which players I picked you think shouldn't be there if we were to pick a pack on size.



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    #10027
    [Deleted User]
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    Pitch is looking well


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    #10028
    RichieRich_89
    Registered Users Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500866#Comment_119500866

    Conan's probably bigger than Doris, isn't he?

    Itxa seems to have a bee in his bonnet regarding McCarthy, though.



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    #10029
    TRC10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501360#Comment_119501360

    Conan's probably bigger than Doris

    Wouldn't have thought there's much in it. Doris looks considerably bigger now than he did when he first broke through.

    Doris I'd say is a more abrasive player though. Conan more of an edge forward/link man.



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    #10030
    DelMcG
    Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭DelMcG


    Anyone else finding their Lifestyle Sports orders of the new gear have been delayed or the stores not actually having any Leinster merch at all on the shelves?

    Ordered the new jersey plus two kits for the little people last week, due for delivery on Friday but no sign. Also, down in my local Lifestyle at lunchtime & there isn't a stitch of Leinster gear on display. (Oddly a mate got the grey/turquoise training top delivered on Wednesday, two days early)



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    #10031
    Nigzcurran
    Registered Users Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    10% off in case anyone is ordering some new kit online

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    #10032
    CORMACREYN
    Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭CORMACREYN


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501449#Comment_119501449

    Got my new jersey delivered yesterday.



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    #10033
    Itxa
    Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Itxa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501360#Comment_119501360

    Assuming we’re picking the biggest players surely James Ryan is bigger than McCarthy. Mop of hair aside I also think Soroka is bigger than Ruddock. And don’t quote Leinster website stats on Soroka - woefully out of date. And yes I was thinking Conan also.



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    #10034
    RichieRich_89
    Registered Users Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502284#Comment_119502284

    Ryan is taller certainly, but McCarthy is very strongly built in the glutes/upper legs region. I can believe the 119 odd kilos stat - even if he is only about 6'6''.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Healy was a kilo or two heavier than Porter now. The latter has trimmed down a lot in reconditioning himself for loosehead.



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    #10035
    Itxa
    Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Itxa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502359#Comment_119502359

    I don’t believe he is that weight. Maybe after a laid off season on a few Big Macs. Soroka is roughly the same height as him and in my opinion of a bigger build than him. There is no way McCarthy is two and half stone heavier and if he is it’s not muscle it’s carrying junk in his trunk.



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    #10036
    RichieRich_89
    Registered Users Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502398#Comment_119502398

    We'll agree to disagree. I don't know what you're looking at, to be honest. McCarthy has very powerfully built legs, whereas Soroka's legs are on the thin side for a rugby player.



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    #10037
    stephen_n
    Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491685#Comment_119491685

    Do you know something about alaalatoa that we don’t?

    Frawley ahead of Ross Byrne is fanciful at best.

    Osborne ahead of Ringrose (choo choo).



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    #10038
    dregin
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭dregin


    The fact that Frawley played 10 for Ireland and Ross Byrne wasn't even on the tour would make that idea a fairly realistic one, tbh



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    #10039
    Former Former Former
    Registered Users Posts: 6,013 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119506117#Comment_119506117

    Frawley played 10 only when Harry Byrne got injured at short notice. I don't think it makes any difference for leinster selections.



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    #10040
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Harry Byrne and getting injured at short notice (as opposed to giving plenty of notice?) is the norm.



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    #10041
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 20,269 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119506117#Comment_119506117

    Yeah I'd agree it's a possibility. Frawley got injured a lot in contact over the last 2 seasons. It might have been a run of bad luck or he might be prone to injury. If the latter then he's probably not reliable at 12. He had great hands and would offer the playmaker 12, but needs to be robust. So they might be looking at 10 for the future. He can be protected to an extent at 10.

    I wouldn't go as far as predicting it will happen, but it's certainly a decent possibility.



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    #10042
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,620 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119506678#Comment_119506678

    ah ciarans injury issues were nasty facial hits, which dont really have anything to do with his robustness. Any player would have gone off with the hits he got. I recall remember Ringrose taking two head hits keeping him out for a period of time a couple of seasons ago, and no one would questions his robustness to play top level rugby (and Frawley's a bigger man than ringrose)



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    #10043
    AdamD
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500556#Comment_119500556

    People aren't hyping McCarthy based on height and weight stats from the Leinster website, get a grip.



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    #10044
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 20,269 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119506728#Comment_119506728

    Ah there were shoulder injuries in there too. And at least one mystery injury in match warm-ups. It wasn't just the face injuries.



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    #10045
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,953 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119506117#Comment_119506117

    The fact Frawley got moved from 10 to 12 at Leinster would suggest its not that likely also. Its a couple of midweek games on an end of season tour when the presumed incumbent was injured at the start of it.

    I can't imagine the management are super comfortable with Ross Byrne as the 10 going forward, but I'm pretty sure they would be more comfortable with him right now than Frawley.



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    #10046
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Regardless of where Leinster see Frawley, the door is open for someone else to step in. Sexton will only play a handful of matches so, the onus is on RB. He should be the 1st pretender.



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    #10047
    stephen_n
    Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119506117#Comment_119506117

    Frawley wasn’t on the tour as a 10. He has played there once in 2 years for Leinster. He played there in NZ because there was no other real option. Ross Byrne has been Sextons undisputed back up since Carberry left. 2 average games against the Māori will have no impact on that. Except that Frawley may get a few more runs at 10 this years. Overtaking Ross Byrne is fanciful at best.



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    #10048
    RichieRich_89
    Registered Users Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Frawley had to fill in at short notice for Harry Byrne in the 1st Māori game, but they could easily have called up Ross Byrne instead of McCloskey before the 2nd Māori game if they wanted to. Why would they invest valuable gametime at 10 in a player if they didn't think he had a future there?



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    #10049
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508023#Comment_119508023

    A part of me is wondering if Frawley is being considered as utility back covering a bunch of spots rather than as an outhalf.



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    #10050
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 20,269 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Carbery aside irelands outhalf problem is leinster's out half problem. They both need a successor to Sexton for next year. I'll be disappointed leinster doesn't give frawley some good gametime at 10 this year. They have too many out halves but none have been able to claim the backup jersey.

    I feel for Ross Byrne. He's doing the best job but it's been decided he's reached his potential and doesn't have the talent or temperament to take it to the next level. So we're hoping one of HB or CF can do it at leinster (or JC at munster) and Ireland level



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    #10051
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users Posts: 12,023 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509361#Comment_119509361

    I don't think its fair to say "it's been decided he's reached his potential and doesn't have the talent or temperament to take it to the next level".

    I'm a big Ross Byrne fan and really want to see him thriving but he's been given plenty of opportunities in big games that he hasn't taken. Whether that was down to being lost in a collectively bad performance or being individually poor, he hasn't taken his chances across the board and himself taken it 'to the next level'. He has the platform, he has the opportunities, it's up to him to prove it but to date he hasn't consistently done it enough in clutch situations.

    And maybe the problem is that he has had it too easy. With Sexton out of the picture and Harry Byrne being perennially injured, he hasn't had any pressure on his spot. Frawley pushing him at 10 could be great for both players.



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