Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

No Strumms what you’re referring to are systemic issues that existed in Ireland for a long time now, like since the foundation of the Irish State when we hadn’t a pot to piss in, and it hasn’t gotten much better since as we’ve lurched from one economic boom and bust to the next.

What I’m talking about are people who aren’t being in the slightest bit inconvenienced and appear quite happy to proclaim how well they’re doing for themselves, while looking down their noses at anyone who disagrees with them, thinking that because they pay tax, as any citizen of this country is expected to do, like that’s literally one of the most basic and fundamental expectations of a citizen, and they’re acting like they deserve an award for it (they have it already - citizenship!), that gives them some sort of elevated authority over everyone else! It’s fcuking bizarre, frankly!

No, the basics of a quality of life which you’re referring to aren’t being denied to anyone as a consequence of Ukrainian refugees who were granted entry to Ireland in the last few months. You can’t even hold our Government responsible for that as they continue to make enormous investments in the economy with funding coming from the EU.

So even to suggest there is zero thought or concern on behalf of elected representatives whom we elect and finance for the citizens here, it’s just not true. It’s possible for a Government to do both, in fact it’s necessary for our Government to maintain healthy international relationships with other countries because we’re as reliant on them for our economic growth and development as they are on us -

https://ireland.mfa.gov.ua/en/partnership/trade-between-ukraine-and-ireland

Of course you hit a nerve? I wouldn’t have responded to your post claiming there was no shame in telling refugees the country was at full capacity otherwise! There’s no basics of life being denied, are you being denied basics? You have a job, you have a bed, you have a roof over your head, you’re doing alright for yourself, you’re doing so well for yourself you even think you’re paying my pension!

What about students? The very fact that they’re students indicates they’re receiving an education, which is more than can be said for many Ukrainian refugees. You’re not paying for their maintenance and education grants either. Those are paid for out of public funding. You’re just paying whatever you’re supposed to pay in tax on your income, same as anyone else who is paying tax on their income, because that’s as I said to Strumms - a basic expectation! It’s not something you’re actually supposed to be congratulated for doing, and nobody has to be thankful to you for doing so and achieving one of the most basic of expectations in life!

Should you actually be so concerned about students, there’s nothing stopping you from employing a few given you’re in a position to do so, you can take them under your wing and pretend like you’re Bill Cullen, looking for warriors!

Anyways, I know you have really super important back to back meetings tomorrow so I should let you get back to sleep! 👍

No I’m not, any more than I know you’re not suggesting that Irish citizens are being deprived of their rights as a consequence of our Government recognising that refugees also have rights which they are equally entitled to as Irish citizens such as those rights granted to them under the Temporary Protection Directive.

The minutiae of the law on this is completely irrelevant.

You absolutely haven’t thought that one through! 😳

The rest of it I could take it or leave it, this is actually what I was referring to with regard to Ukrainians in Ireland who qualify under the Temporary Protection Directive -

(10) Without prejudice to subsection (8), a displaced person to whom subsection (2)applies shall be entitled—

(a) to seek and enter employment, to engage in any business, trade or profession and to have access to education and training in the State in the like manner and to the like extent in all respects as an Irish citizen,

(b) to receive, upon and subject to the same conditions applicable to Irish citizens, the same medical care and the same social welfare benefits as those to which Irish citizens are entitled, and

(c) to the same rights of travel in the State as those to which Irish citizens are entitled.

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/act/66/section/60/enacted/en/html#sec60

When we have systematic issues and problems and lack of xyz… we don’t invite and encourage more people, to try and compete for them…

Scotland with a similar population as us paused Ukrainian refugees for 3 months recently, they'll review it after the 3 months. They had taken in 7000 Ukrainians n felt it was all that they could cope with at the time.

Paddy has taken in 7 times that number n our politicians blissfully ignore the mounting list of problems. They are off on 6 weeks holidays at the minute, enjoy it lads as the mood music is changing by the day for Joe public with this sham.

Look at suckit's youtube video. It's like Cork gets bombed, as do random towns in every second county and including Newry and Omagh and Derry, and people in Belfast leg it.

Scotland has welcomed 13,257 refugees from Ukraine since the start of the war, with 10,056 arriving into the country under the Super Sponsor Scheme

Scotland is not in the EU anymore.

If the Mayor of Kyiv (sorry, Kiev, apparently we still use the Russian spelling here) says something it's 100% true, correct, factual, should be acted upon, and should not be greeted with any degree of skepticism, doubt, fact-checking or even "let's wait and see for a bit";

but

if Micheál Martin or Leo Varadkar or the green fella say anything it's lies, pure politicking, can't be believed, the guy's a joke, 'well-he-would-say-that-wouldn't he', 'just wait until the next election, we'll show them', 'they're traitors to their own country, selling us out'.

That's the way it works, yes?

(Anyone got a link to his statement, btw? I'm not finding one.)

Irish embassy reopening in Kyiv.

Meanwhile we're still welcoming Ukrainians fleeing from wartorn areas 🙄 and giving them shelter and all trimmings.

Is there actually anyone in government that can see the hypocrisy in it all?