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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Higher priority of white people IS racism 😑

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The original poster said "Irish people". Did you just assume their skin colour? Did you assume the skin colour of non Irish migrants? I hate to break it to you but currently the largest influx of migrants into Ireland are White Ukrainians and the vast majority of migration into Ireland over the past twenty odd years have been White people.

    And yes "locals" should be prioritised. This nonsense that they somehow shouldn't be or it's "racist" is only present in some parts of the "multicultural" West. Everywhere else it's seen as obvious thing is obvious. If there were a housing crisis in Tanzania and an influx of inward migration, I would be prioritising local Tanzanians over inward migrants, regardless of their skin colour.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    While there are some following an agenda or some kind of crusade, I think it mostly comes down to the limited viewpoint that if we can help/provide for others, then we should. Regardless of the consequences or costs involved.

    Naturally, sacrificing others wellbeing is part of helping others, due to the reality of limited resources, when you elevate one group, invariably another groups loses something to compensate. There's a certain willingness to force sacrifice on others... and the approach seems to be that 1st world native nationalities have the most to sacrifice, so they should.

    Now personally, I think it's mostly "talk", in that the people who push these things never expect to need to sacrifice anything themselves. It's not lead by example, but rather enforce their will on others. Which is why we always get to hear judgments of racism, bigotry, etc in the belief it will browbeat others into conforming. But whenever these posters are challenged, their arguments and reasoning tends to be rather shallow/superficial in scope, and before any depth is explored, they hurl abuse and disappear for a few pages, until they can come back to start all over again.



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    If you had said higher priority of people based on race, then, I would have agreed with you. Interesting that you specified white people for that statement. So, if minority groups are being given higher priority based on their skin colour/ethnic background, then that's racism? ie. Black people gaining higher priority for being Black, then that's racist.. and you would oppose it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    In the UK some fat woman called the police for being called fat, the police acted on it - even though it strictly speaking doesn't fit the definition.

    These authoritarians don't care.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    I think you will agree that this is a good thing as we'll start to see a lot more convictions for hate crimes.

    Terrifying, hope you never get on a jury, I'd imagine you would love to be on one though...



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Please tell me that’s more of your dry wit, that you don’t actually think the mark of a civilised society is their eating utensils? 😳



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    What systematic prejudice in Ireland has led to the formation of mostly black postcode gangs?? ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    You alluded to it in your own post - their postcode, ie - they tend to congregate in low income, socioeconomically deprived neighbourhoods, their children are enrolled in low income, socioeconomically deprived schools where there isn’t the same focus on academic and social achievement as there is in schools which are not in low income, socioeconomically deprived postcodes where properties aren’t cheap as demand for highly desirable properties is much greater. It means living standards in the area which are already low, become even worse.

    Every couple of years the sitting Government feels a bit flaithúilach on the crest of a boom in the property market and starts a regeneration project, then a recession bites and all the money has been spent on decals for jeeps with not much of it going towards construction, and all is left are half completed estates and shoddy, cheaply-built housing with no amenities, that’ll become run-down slums within a generation.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    The native people of Ireland must come first in their own native land. This isn’t racism. This is common sense and the norm in every country outside of the west.


    Ireland is the homeland of the native Irish people. What is the point of the Irish state, if not that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Balbriggan was a fairly decent seaside village. Not particularly low income or deprived. The K32 gang flys in the face of the quoted nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Gosh you’re right, I forgot that Ireland doesn’t exist outside the Pale! 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo




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    And yet , you completely ignored my follow-on post, asking you to expand on your position, by pointing out the case of minority groups who gain supports/benefits/recognition entirely based on their ethnicity. After all, the expectation here seems to be that there should be no difference in rights/benefits between the native group and foreigners.. so, wouldn't it be racist to elevate any racial/ethnic group over others?

    Seems referring to racism is something that be selectively applied when it suits the chosen narrative.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    It’s not that there was no argument, you got the argument already in response to your question you posed to Wibbs about what systemic prejudice has led to the formation of mostly black postcode gangs. I gave you an answer, with the meaning of systemic prejudice being that it is a national issue of policy failures, and you come back with as much as “but Balbriggan was once nice so you’re talking nonsense”…

    I’m not -


    When gardaí arrived at the scene, the badly injured 19-year-old was the only person present after a gang of youths had “dispersed from the area”.

    It is understood that he is refusing to cooperate with the investigation.

    A senior source said problems with gangs of male teenagers “who largely, but not exclusively” come from an ethnic minority has “seriously increased” since the Covid-19 pandemic began in March.

    “It is important to point out that these eircode gangs are not just a serious problem in Balbriggan – there are big issues with them in other locations as well and not just in the wider Dublin area.

    “There is a crew in Drogheda called the ‘A92 gang’ after the Louth town’s eircode and there is the ‘Dublin 15 gang’ operating in the Tyrrelstown/Blanchardstown area and there are similar gangs in Tallaght and even as far away as Cork city.

    “Not everyone associated with these gangs is a criminal but there is no doubt that some members have been involved in assaults and serious public order breaches which have got worse throughout the summer months and it is a big cause for concern for gardaí,” the senior source said.

    Gardaí say that a particular modus operandi for the teenage gangs is to record rap songs which are posted on social media to goad rival gangs.

    “Within the lyrics of these raps, stuff is mentioned to antagonise the opposing factions – it might be about how they beat a fella up, or how they robbed an opposing person’s bike or runners,” the senior source explained.

    As part of their investigations into the teenage gangs, gardaí have been closely monitoring social media and community gardaí have been liaising with church pastors and other community leaders in the effected communities.

    https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/irish-crime/eircode-wars-as-teen-is-stabbed-in-shocking-gang-attack-on-street/39468089.html


    You think it’s limited to Balbriggan, or even Dublin for that matter? That’d be nonsense. It’s only a symptom of the underlying failure to address social issues decades ago. It certainly didn’t happen out of the blue and then only when black immigrants moved into the neighbourhood!


    They’re not new either btw, it’s a phenomenon seen in many countries, but we’d probably be most familiar with the UK -

    All the pride over essentially nothing certainly wasn’t worth numerous preventable deaths. Just as nationalists have no control over what country they’re born into, the misguided young men who were so eager to join up with the postcode gangs definitely didn’t choose the area the council moved their parents into.

    https://renieddolodge.co.uk/a-brief-history-of-postcode-wars/


    And drugs, lots and lots of drugs -

    He welcomes some of the measures Rudd announced this week and cautions against attempting to simply apply the Scottish model to London, where the nature of criminal organisations is very different.

    “In London, the drug market is very sophisticated. Scotland didn’t have what they call the county lines, young people being put on trains with loads of drugs and moved around to various cities,” he says.

    “Drug dealers have to be really thankful for a society that has been created where you have so many disaffected youth who have no ambition and can see nothing beyond getting into criminality. They’ve got a steady workforce at their fingertips.”

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/how-postcode-wars-have-made-london-a-murder-capital-1.3460692


    Now that I’m even reminded of it, your attitude is similar to that of my mother, and I’m talking over 20 years ago -

    “Sure there’s no drugs in Portlaoise”

    My mother isn’t a stupid woman, but she was perfectly willing to turn a blind eye when it suited her 😂

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Congratulations, you’ve figured out that these “road men” are copying a form of U.K. black culture, originally brought to the U.K. by Jamaican Yardie gangsters.

    You think they felt oppressed or socially deprived so they looked to Jamaica for inspiration? They’re criminals, nothing more nothing less. They don’t produce rap music either, they make drill music. They, in the main, attack other criminals from other postcodes in some feeble attempt at showing their paper thin masculinity.

    They are a living case study, within the country, that multiculturalism is a failure. The cultures we are importing can’t even get along, what hope have the natives?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Congratulations yourself, you’ve figured out it’s becuz dey iz bleck 😂

    It’s not though, it’s because of the generational failures of successive Governments social policies to address the underlying issues as opposed to pointing fingers at each other for who’s going to clean up the mess.

    Personally I couldn’t give a fcuk if anyone’s from Kingston or Kinsale - their inspiration, or lack thereof, is as a direct consequence of the failures of Government, not multiculturalism!

    And in the same way my mother turned a blind eye, who do you imagine the non-natives picked it up from?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    It was the gubberment what made them join gangs and attack each other. An absolute cop out.


    Where’s all the Polish youth gangs? The Lithuanian or Latvian youth gangs? Or the British youth gangs in Ireland? All have higher numbers of immigrants in Ireland?? Where are all of the Asian youth gangs? The Indian youth gangs??



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    It would be if that’s what I’d said. I didn’t say that though, and as for where the rest of the criminal gangs are - well, it’s not called the criminal underworld for nothing 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    More nonsense when you can’t put together a cogent rebuttal. All these youth gangs of other nationalities are hidden within the “underworld”. Laughable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,265 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I’ve a cousin living there since she got married in ‘08…

    ‘gone tomorrow’ was what she said when we talked last week…Growing up in her 20’s she lived in Brixton which has a reasonably high perch on the table for violent crime, actually ALL crime in London and always had despite a recent slight gentrification….but she’d go back there as opposed to living in Balbriggan for much longer.

    she’s from Portmarnock always craves getting back to be near her family there and in Malahide but prices there have skyrocketed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Well twice previously I put together a cogent argument to which your response was “nonsense”, so at this point I figure it’s hardly worth taking your lack of any interest beyond just fingering blacks seriously!


    But just for shìts n giggles at this stage -

    A prolific Eastern European crime gang who have been operating a drugs trafficking network throughout Leinster were the target of a joint garda and customs operation which led to the seizure of €1.18 m worth of cannabis herb yesterday.

    Two male suspects aged in their 20’s and 40’s are currently being detained at Kilkenny Garda Station today where they are being questioned under drugs trafficking legislation.

    The older man is well known to gardai and has worked as a legitimate courier in the south east for a number of years.

    Sources say that during the course of this employment he got involved in a “bitter dispute which ended up criminal in nature” with other Eastern European couriers.

    “Since then he has become involved in a fairly significant organised crime grouping,” a source said.

    The courier was arrested yesterday in Kilkenny when it is suspected that he was on his way to collect the huge drugs haul which had already been seized by customs officers at a local industrial estate as part of a surveillance operation which tracked the drugs after the cannabis entered Ireland.

    https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/irish-crime/eastern-european-crime-gang-based-in-leinster-were-targets-of-garda-118m-cannabis-op/40930671.html


    Me heart bleeds for the native criminals who are having to find new business opportunities as a consequence of the non-native criminals who are integrating quite well into Irish society. Hell much like disillusioned young men’s heads being filled with nationalistic fetishism and tales of previous generations victimisation fuelling their fantasies, they are now the targets of organised criminal gangs marketing Ukrainian women to them to fulfil their war fantasies -

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-escort-site-offers-war-inspired-fantasies-with-ukrainian-women-webinar-told-1.4883113


    Would you call that a failure now, or a success of multiculturalism? 🤔



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,913 ✭✭✭Cordell


    There are Eastern European gangs here and in UK alright, but their members came over as such. Eastern European kids born here or in UK don't join these gangs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    They do! 😳

    Or do you imagine Eastern European criminals don’t have families?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,913 ✭✭✭Cordell


    They have families back home. What they (we) don't have is a gang culture, it doesn't work that way in Eastern Europe. We don't have intergenerational gangs and gang members, we don't have them in Eastern Europe, we don't have them here either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,913 ✭✭✭Cordell


    We do have crime just as anyone but we don't have postcode wars nor bloods and crips.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Oh for goodness sake, who gives a shyte what they’re called or what they’re calling themselves?



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