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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    the chances of a retaliatory Nuke strike on Kiev or a nuclear power plant have risen with the car bomb

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Not that I know of, but to be fair I'm not watching Russian TV and can't speak it and Russian bots on twitter seem to be either Indians or Africans jumping for joy against the "west" so...

    One Russian I know who is supportive of Russia(mostly from loyalty because it's Russia, deeper questions are not asked or answered) did say to me a couple of weeks ago when I mentioned the apparent stalling that according to him/them they bumped into some heavliy fortified Ukrainian positions which was costly in men and materiel so are standing off and hitting them with artilliery and after they're reduced to rubble moving in the troops and tanks and its moving slowly, but they are moving forward.

    Who's to say at this stage. Outside of the morality and casualties all wars when they boil down to it are propaganda and economics. Ukraine has certainly won the former and let's face it Russia is helping them with their idiotic near childish attempts at propaganda and their bumbling push on Kyiv and the atrocities they left in their wake among other things like no independent journos from the West.

    Economically Russia's now screwed as far as access to Western economies and investment, but still flogging their oil and gas raking in billlions(Turkey's now openly buying their oil, no doubt at some discount) and with the Ukrainian land they've already stolen they're sitting on even more natural resources. They may as well go all in at this stage. Putin could have called for some sort of BS "humanitarian" ceasefire along the front to take the international pressure off and the pressure from his own troops and consolidate, but he hasn't. And it's not as if he'd be against reneging on any deal when it turned to his advantage to do so. This suggests to me he reckons he doesn't need to.

    Ukraine on the other hand is in a far more tenous position economically. It's pretty much entirely reliant on outside help. Outside help that is in turn reliant on public opinion in democratic nations, public opinion that could shift. EG in places like Germany come winter. The US are most likely to keep piling on as they get to bleed out their enemy from the sidelines and at a relative bargain as far as their overall defence budget goes, but they're also dealing and in a sabre rattling contest with China over Taiwan. If push comes to shove and it's an either or, I'd bet they'd pivot to the Taiwanese. Again because of basic economics and the Pacific is much more in their and their allies "back yard" in many ways. They know Putin won't move beyond the borders of Ukraine and attack a NATO country. That his ambitions and capabilities are confined to what he's already stolen and maybe the Black sea coast.

    In the long term Russia will lose. Beligerent armies and nations who don't offer anything better than the previous status quo pretty much always do. This is what eejits like Hitler who wanted to ape the Roman empire always fail to understand; Outside of her military might Rome spread and stayed put most of all because after the battles were over, bodies were buried and the dust settled Rome offered the potential of a better life, a better economy and more cash in the pocket of those they conquered and invited those they conquered into their world as equal citizens. That's why I have always held that for Putin the EU is far more dangerous an entity than NATO with all their tanks and missiles. The differences between a town in Mother Russia and anywhere across the EU border are stark. That's why he and those who follow him hate something like the EU.

    My 3 cents anyway.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,354 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    No they havent, nothing short of assassinating Putin would lead to nuclear options.


    Putin deploying Nukes would mean the end of Russia, and most of the Western world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,408 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    If that's accurate, then that bridge is totally fcuked and out of commission for a fair while...... Particularly when the repair base with the equipment was blown up last week lol

    All Eyes On Rafah



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,518 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Retaliation for what though? Apparently she wasn't even that well known in Russia.....she would be the type of young hothead who would occasionally show up on GB News if she was in the UK. She would be a bizarre assassination choice for the Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭blarney_boy


    No so much criminality, more that she was trying to muscle into the political arena . . . which as you remember from previous Oligarchs falling out of their luxury penthouse apartment windows to a 'not in any way suspicious' deaths was Putins way of reminding people that politics was his 'thing' and that the Oligarchs should keep to stealing from the private industry, stealing from the Russian state was Putins exclusive area of operation.

    Again, from the tweet Darya Dugina comes across as bit naive, openly attacking Sergei Shoigu, he hasn't survived in Putins inner court up until now without getting some blood on his hands . . .



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    I would have thought an assassination attempt (especially a successful one) would be welcomed by literally all parties involved (on both sides), with be exception of some mercenary groups who enjoy wars.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,500 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    She forgot she was playing senior hurling not camogie

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Thanks for posting. Checked out some of his other stuff also, good non propaganda driven taken on the situation. Breath of fresh air.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    I honestly think Putin is more likely to go the chemical attack route and see how much he can get away with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,444 ✭✭✭jmreire


    They should have waited until the trucks were on the bridge....more bang fir your buck.....🙂



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,665 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    "Russia's taking a lot of territory lately". Yet others in the media are usually saying they're stalled for over a month and even ready to pull back from some areas?


    Because they are. The intricacies of war and the exact front lines are obviously going to be hard to pin down, and in many cases don't even necessarily make sense when things are fluid. But the general outline of the front is studied by many institutions and generally can be backed up by intel and OSINT. They are taking a lot of territory by the definition of a property mogul trying to gain control of downtown, not by the definition of an invading army. We are talking a few kms a week at times - it is utterly anaemic. There is no hidden, secret massive Russian advance going on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,059 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    An identity card conveniently linking her to the Azov regiment? How simplistic & crude can you get, shows what they think their own citizens will gullibly swallow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭zv2


    They are taking towns and villages albeit incrementally and at great cost. But they are taking them. Hopefully things are about to turn in Ukraine's favor soon.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,508 ✭✭✭wassie


    Ok...better check my wallet....

    • Driver's Licence - check
    • Health Card - check
    • Credit Card - check
    • Azov Regiment ID card - check

    .....good to go



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    An advancing army is not always a winning army. Germany were making huge territorial advances on the eastern front( all the way to Rostov on don) throughout 1917 and 1918 of a much greater magnitude than Russian advances today . Didn’t count for anything by November 1918.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Russia are very much still stalled in the overall grand scheme of things. Advancing at a snails pace at heavy cost for incremental ribbons of ground isn't any great triumph, every advance requires costly assaults and more manpower to hold and police the new territory as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Maybe intel was something else was in the trucks. Would not put it passed the Russians to have civilians in them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,408 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I'd question the actual area of control on the advances they make. Lot of partisans in occupied land.

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭rogber


    If he really was the intended target and it was an inside job, then "heart attack" could mean anything.

    On the other hand, it could be true. Obnoxious as he may be, I'm sure he loved his daughter and it's a pretty horrendous thing to have witnessed as a parent. The husband of one of the US mass shooting victims died recently from a heart attack a day or two after the event



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,665 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It didn't count for anything cause they lost in the West though. Germany defeated Russia.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,665 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    For sure they are. But they are not large towns and they are not far from each other.

    It may not be quite WW1 trenches static, but its closer to that than it is to WW2 frontlines. They really, really aren't advancing at any appreciable pace at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Looks like the Azoz battalion ID card has already been debunked as a fake(nothing we didn't already know)




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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,518 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A forensics expert on Twitter says the ID card is clearly a photoshop. He has been analysing the image using advanced software and can see obvious evidence of where the FSB were creating the image.



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