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    #51542
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119507016#Comment_119507016

    The front is how long Podge? Over a thousand kms? A few Kms per week adds up on that scale.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #51543
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508017#Comment_119508017

    It's quite amazing how the Russian police were able to pin down a name within not much more than 24 hours in this case, yet the list of "unsolved" murders and "accidental" deaths of Putin's enemies falling out of windows and suicide by multiple stab wounds, in the back, can go on for years and years...

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #51544
    zv2
    Registered Users Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭zv2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508029#Comment_119508029

    Who, outside Russia, believes what the Russian media says anymore? They are looking like clowns more and more every day.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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    #51545
    firemansam4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508112#Comment_119508112

    RTE news earlier reporting on the incident then repeating the Russian claims that they have identified the Ukrainian woman who was responsible for the incident. Then at the end they state that Ukraine denies any involvement.

    You can be guaranteed many people would just take that as fact now that the Ukrainian government are resorting to assassinating journalists.



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    #51546
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,663 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508052#Comment_119508052

    Well its not moving at all on the Southern portion.

    They are advancing. It is painfully slow and and even if they were able to keep it up indefinitely you are talking years before they would even take the entirety of Donetsk. The invasion has stalled to all intents and purposes and any claim about Russia taking big chunks of land just isn't true. What Russia can do is level areas with artillery and then move troops into the destroyed area - for now at least. We will see what happens when more of their artillery breaks and they continue to run low on ammo.

    It is factually correct that they are advancing. Their rate of advance is getting slower and slower and on a country-wide scale its as good as static. This is not ruling out the possibility of a mass breakout, but I think its exceptionally unlikely.



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    #51547
    xxxxxxl
    Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508166#Comment_119508166

    You would have to wonder what goes on in RTE. But then I remember it's chock full of champagne socialist. That probably belive the But NATO lines.



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    #51548
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,663 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508180#Comment_119508180

    Just to add to this, this is a map of the frontlines as can best be estimated on Jul 10th and Aug 14th. They are functionally the same after a month

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    #51549
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,517 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508166#Comment_119508166

    If Ukraine were going to assassinate someone in Russia (extremely unlikely), the last person they would pick would be a young woman (the optics would be bad). It would presumably be someone high up in the Russian military who had ordered atrocities against Ukrainian civilians - something along the lines of the murder of Reinhard Heydrich in 1942.



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    #51550
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508077#Comment_119508077

    I had thought to myself that a suspect would be found pretty quick, whether they were truly a suspect or not. Putin must maintain an air of control in this kind of situation. But he's one seriously paranoid man in the grand Russian political tradition and I would like to think that in private he's absolutely freaking out over this and is refusing to leave the Kremlin ever again.



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    #51551
    zv2
    Registered Users Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭zv2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508166#Comment_119508166

    Yes, their report should have started with 'The Russians clowns are at it again...'

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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    #51552
    xxxxxxl
    Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508246#Comment_119508246

    Problem is your assuming the population is critically thinking or even questioning at this stage. I mean the news people look like their on crack.



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    #51553
    firemansam4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508460#Comment_119508460

    Yea thats it, some will just hear that a Ukrainian agent is being blamed for the assassination and believe it. Its not just for the Russian audience this is intended for.



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    #51554
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119506187#Comment_119506187

    It has, but going from not a fuckin chance it will happen to not a fuckin chance it will happen is such a subtle change that many might not notice.



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    #51555
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users Posts: 16,574 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508052#Comment_119508052

    The frontlines have been mostly static for two months now, especially since Sievierodonetsk fell. I think both sides have had their military capability degraded to such an extent that large scale advances are going to be very hard. That's the simple reason why we've seen no breakthrough.

    I think we could be in stalemate for a long time yet (I am thinking in years, not months now). Neither side seem to be interested in negotiation, and neither side look like they will get the capability to strike a knock out blow anytime soon. It'll be hard for either side to build up and arm new forces to take the initiative anytime soon.

    The situation doesn't look good for Ukraine. They have the people to fight, but where are they going to get the huge quantities of modern, useful weapons that will enable them to win? Total military aid to Ukraine so far has been about $50 billion, all it has done so far is slow the the Russians. I think to win, they probably need something in the region of $500 billion, maybe even a trillion plus. There's no indication that anything near that level of support is incoming.



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    #51556
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508594#Comment_119508594

    There's no indication of support stopping.

    A lot of the West have pit their reputation on the line Do you honestly see a situation where the West goes... 'nah, can't match Russia economically let's let them have Ukraine' and create uncertainty about other geographical areas.



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    #51557
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119507540#Comment_119507540

    Ehh. He's obviously an awful person. "Heart" is one thing I believe he lacks. If he dies, the world's better off.



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    #51558
    jmreire
    Registered Users Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭jmreire


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119506349#Comment_119506349

    Maybe right car, but wrong person..



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    #51559
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508594#Comment_119508594

    You know better than the former commander of the US army in Europe? Seriously? He's saying Russia's defeat is 'inevitable.' He's way more familiar with Russian military capabilities than anyone on this thread. He's even stated that Crimea will be returned later via diplomacy.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_cH6mbmwfo&t=2s




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    #51560
    Fiery mutant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508594#Comment_119508594

    The aid provided to Ukraine is miniscule compared to the investment the Russians have put in to their military over the last 10 years in their supposed 'remodernisation'. And it has done more than slow them down, it has ground them to a near halt, and shown them up to be a pale imitation of what a western military would be. That $50b roughly, is the best investment the west could every have made against the Russians. And to be honest, I don't think it would take much more to make a major swing and sent the Russians back to Moscow. The west has provided weapons to Ukraine, but they have provided small quantities within a very narrow framework of what they could possibly have done. Could you imagine what this war would look like if the shackles were removed?

    Wake up in the morning to 150 F16 or Gripens in the skies above Ukraine, 200 Abrams or Leopards rolling across the fields, no limits on HIMARS missile range, long range guided shells for those M777.

    It would be carnage.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



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    #51561
    jmreire
    Registered Users Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭jmreire


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119507330#Comment_119507330

    No, I doubt it, in the beginning, Russians were losing many fuel trucks simply because it was clear that they were actual fuel trucks, then the Russians decided to build canopies over the fuel tanks to try and disguise them. So then the Ukrainians hit all Russian transports... no matter what they looked like.

    I'd say that time wise, the Ukrainians had only a small window of opportunity to hit the bridge. Would have been the dream shot to hit the bridge and the convoy. I reckon that convoy will be hit at some stage in any case.



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    #51562
    Darth Putin
    Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119507150#Comment_119507150

    They have not taken ANY town or villages in about 6 weeks now and lost likes of Dovhenke which is probably nothing more than a pile of ashes by now

    anyone who says otherwise is welcome to backup their claim

    aside;

    https://twitter.com/keskajainimene/status/1561445163452567553?s=20&t=pe30XX706wGIHR2T8u8-5g


    Post edited by Darth Putin on


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    #51563
    Darth Putin
    Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508052#Comment_119508052

    You are welcome to offer any evidence of advances you claim after listening to some random we on YouTube



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    #51564
    EOQRTL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    War correspondent on the ground in Ukraine or a guy posting from his mammies box room. Umm, who to believe.



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    #51565
    Darth Putin
    Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508772#Comment_119508772

    So are you able to post any proof at all to backup statements of Russian advances in last month or so?

    It can’t be that difficult, instead you have resorted to childish remarks



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    #51566
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,094 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119506960#Comment_119506960

    A chemical attack at least doesn't result in a retaliation in kind back at Russia which a nuclear attack almost certainly would.

    It would likely draw direct military involvement from Western powers though, in addition to far more money and arms for Ukraine if nothing else. Would also add another few decades to how long Russia will be left out in the cold from the world's economy once this is all over, regardless of how many extra layers we all have to put on to keep warm through the winter without Russian gas.



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    #51567
    Tonesjones
    Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119504409#Comment_119504409

    It could have been internet hacking warriors Anonymous



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    #51568
    paul71
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭paul71


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508914#Comment_119508914

    I listed serious to less likely possibilities, but certainly not the ridiculous. Do feel free to add something (when you have something).



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    #51569
    Tonesjones
    Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508960#Comment_119508960
    https://www.verdict.co.uk/how-anonymous-cyberwar-keeps-embarrassing-russia/


    Is it plausible to hack a vehicle ecu? It could have been an electrical car and the batteries were exploded.



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    #51570
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508650#Comment_119508650

    How many experts of note cropped up during Covid, experts that knew far more about virology than the armchair bod on the street, who were forecasting either the Black Death or a mere sniffle? No doubt there are other military experts that will say damn near the complete opposite to him. The main difference as far as the same bod on the street goes is who do we want to believe going in.

    IMHO he's smoking crack if he thinks the Russians will give up Crimea anytime soon, diplomatically or no. Not without regime change and a shift in the average Russian's mindset that sees Crimea more than anywhere as "their land" and has been egged on over the last decade and more to see it as such by the same regime. Driven back to the pre invasion borders is a very long shot too. Not with what Ukraine has at her disposal now. Plus the Russians have been busy with their rabid imperialism consolidating and russifying Donbas, installing their own people, supporting Donbas separatists and killing, "relocating" and driving out Ukrainian nationalists, many of whom understandably fled their murderous march.

    The Russian military has been shown to be a joke in many ways. Claiming their utter failure to take Kyiv as some sort of tactical feint is of the highest quality copium for their supporters. Hell, on twitter I have noticed their fans have now gone from claiming the Ukrainian military are a joke that will fall in days/months to now saying they were the best army in Europe because of NATO's support. More copium. If there were a few battalions of Brits or French in country the Russians would very quickly know about it.

    The other card they can play is to call a "ceasefire" when they see things going more badly for them and using it to consolidate further. Zelensky won't want that and I wouldn't either, but the economics and optics of his support among the allies could well mean he'll have to suck it up at least temporarily.

    Keeping the Russians bogged down along the current frontline, driving the Russians back from Kherson and over the river, even getting close to Mariupol I can certainly see and Russia has zero chance of taking, never mind keeping much more than they have taken so far. Russians and their sympathisers who reckon they'll eventually take half of Ukraine are smoking even more craic with high power blotter acid chasers.

    Again in my humble and I've reckoned this from very early on is that Russia will take and keep a large chunk of Donbas. A Donbas that will be a nightmare for them and the inhabitants for years. The Ulster Troubles on steroids and it'll bleed Russia badly. And though it's a bitter pill to swallow for Ukraine and the world who supports them I'd currently say leave them to it. If Ukraine were magically handed those areas of the Donbas back tomorrow they in turn would be dealing with Russian separatist insurgency for years too. Look at the clusterfúck it's been for them and the inhabitants of Donbas over the last decade when they did control it and direct Russain support was more nudge nudge wink wink.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #51571
    paul71
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭paul71


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508989#Comment_119508989

    I sat back back and saw your earlier contributions here without comment. You were ridiculous then and I decided not to engage. This time I am putting you on ignore. I am sure you mean no harm but you really do post awful garbage.



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