Texas School shooting 19 children and 2 adults murdered

Look at the title of the thread and wonder why your plight of a friend getting caught in beuacracy is not getting more sympathy.

Those outspoken people are the NRA. I mean I am sure there are many hard working, good people involved in the NRA trying to improve things but they are not the ones at the table. They are not the ones with the ability to have their voice on the media and until they are they will never be able to make up for those outspoken people.

That is always the thing with this, people's rights being infringed, slippery slope yadda, yadda. Oh no someone had to go to court for a gun licence. Read the title of thread again. How many mass shootings has there been in the US since Buffalo? Those are the points that should be the focus in a healthy society.

Yes Ireland likely goes overboard on restrictions but these laws are never going to be perfect and most countries will lean on having too many restrictions.

Just watched Colonel McCraw of the Texas dept of public safety's opening statement to the Texas state senate committee.

He gave his opinion of Arredondo and the lack of action in a tone of utter disgust.

"The scene commander placed the lives of his armed police officers above those of the unarmed children"

Gun manufacturer, school district, state, all sorts being sued for $27 billion in the Uvalde massacre.

I'm not belittle this tragedy but I don't understand how they can go after the gun manufacturer. Daniel Defense make a legal product. It's not their fault someone abused it.

Could I sue Toyota if a drunk driver in a Toyota killed my child? I think not.

I don't see why that makes a difference to be honest.

I mean a gun is a lawful product in most countries in the world. It has lawful uses. It's not the gun manufacturer's fault that someone used it inappropriately.

Regarding the child and the rifle, Marty Daniel (Daniel Defense CEO) said the following to a Senate Committee. "Part of being a responsible gun owner means teaching others how to properly and safely use firearms. I believe that a child who is taught firearms safety and who is raised to respect firearms is much less likely to ever use a firearm improperly." I agree that it's good to teach kids gun safety. Now I'll be the first to say that the kid in the picture is too young to learn about gun safety, I think I was about 5 when my Dad started teaching me about gun safety. That said, it's a stretch to say they are marketing their guns at toddlers through the use of that picture as toddlers can't buy Daniel Defense guns.

Are you trying to help or hurt your argument with the guns for kids argument? The issue for the US is that while guns are legal in other countries they aren't seen as nearly a fetish or a symbol of worship. It is really really weird to how the rest of the world sees gun ownership. The add with the kid isn't about gun safety, it is saying train a kid to use a gun when he is young and they will be a gun user when they grow up. I get some safety stuff but guns should be treated like a piece of dangerous equipment not a status symbol. Can you imagine a politician shouting out that a state needs to lead the country in angle grinder sales? I guess possibly it is seen as a symbol of belonging to a group but I really can't think of an equivalent elsewhere. Certainly they are not treated like a tool that is for a job or use case.

I agree with you to that a gun should be treated like a piece of dangerous equipment. I'm by no means saying give all kids guns, but I'll say the following: I'm fine with kids learning to shoot, under strict supervision. I'm fine with kids learning gun safety, under strict supervision. I'm fine with kids shooting, under strict supervision. I'm fine with guns being designed for kids provided they are used under strict supervision.

The kid in the Daniel Defense advert is too young for gun safety, I've said that in my first response to the advert. But the point remains, gun safety for children in households where there is a gun/guns is essential. I'll once again quote the Daniel Defence CEO who made this statement before a Senate Committee about that advert, "Part of being a responsible gun owner means teaching others how to properly and safely use firearms. I believe that a child who is taught firearms safety and who is raised to respect firearms is much less likely to ever use a firearm improperly." He says it's about gun safety, you say it isn't.

I don't know how you remove the glamorising of guns from the US. Have a 'Code of Practice' for gun adverts? Ban rap music?

And yet cars are not specifically designed to kill people.

Thats all these guns are created for, so your argument about cars or alcohol or anything else that isnt specifically designed for war and killing other humans is pointless, head in the sand stuff.