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Can Sinn Fein fix the housing crisis or is it beyond them or anybody else?

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    #422
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514683#Comment_119514683

    great.....



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    #423
    FrancieBrady
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514683#Comment_119514683

    If your moral compass doesn't allow you offset their motives and the effects of what they are doing against their effect on the housing crisis then that is reprehensible to be honest.

    I presume you would put our humanitarian aid for Ukrainian refugees into that table too. How high up the list of blame would they be or those helping them be, in your opinion?



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    #424
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,392 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Let's presume that SF join a coalition.

    The following day/week/month, there won't be any more plumbers/carpenters/builders, compared to the previous week/month.

    Will SF in Govt cause there to be more plumbers/elec/carpenters/builders? Within a year?

    I'm not sure.

    There are currently approx. 40,000 builders on JSA ("the dole").

    Will SF approach these 40,000 workers, and encourage them to leave JSA, and enter employment?


    There are currently Irish building workers who emigrated during or after the Great Financial Crisis 2008-2012.

    Will these be more likely, or less likely, to return to Ireland with SF in Govt?



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    #425
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514713#Comment_119514713

    ....we really need to do something about this, our whole approach to the trades is beyond dreadful, they play such a critical role in forming a functioning society and economy, yet we still treat them like sh1t, sf have a serious job to do.....



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    #426
    Ouch Chinese Byrne
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    Your welcome



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    #427
    Ouch Chinese Byrne
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514706#Comment_119514706

    Why.

    You know there is a housing crisis.

    Investment firms are hoovering up properties.

    Charities are hovering up properties.

    Councils are hovering up properties.

    Where does that leave the average joe who wants to purchase a property?

    3 of the top 4 are vultures in the property market approaching developers themselves so the housing estates are not even available to the public.

    The Council, Housing Charities and Investment firms have a Monopoly over the property market which is a disgrace



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    #428
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514731#Comment_119514731

    Mary Lou made plenty of noise about creating the circumstances for people to return home on a recent trip to Aus.

    It's certainly a more attractive play for government than circling the wagons around those benefiting from the crisis.

    Can they do that though - create an economy and society that rewards workers properly. We are only going to find out if they actually get into government.



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    #429
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514785#Comment_119514785

    ...its clearly obvious that the whole approach of financialising our property markets has completely failed, by doing so, this generally leads to monopolisation of markets, as has happened in most other countries this has been done....



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    #430
    Ouch Chinese Byrne
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    Agreed.

    All we are hearing from the Government and Opposition is to build more houses.

    Nobody wants to discuss or investigate the root cause of the housing crisis and homeless because it will cost votes and trigger sections of the population.

    I think Ireland needs to open its eyes and look at the truth of what’s happening and make some hard decisions



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    #431
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514850#Comment_119514850

    Yes.

    But you need to prioritise.

    Throwing the baby out with the bath water is not the way to fix it.

    Start with those profiting most and work down.



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    #432
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514850#Comment_119514850
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514803#Comment_119514803

    ..............

    decisions arent really all that hard, reduce the involvement of industries that drives such ideologies, and start publicly building!



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    #433
    Ham_Sandwich
    Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514713#Comment_119514713

    Sinn Fein will be able to offer more money to the builders and the nurses to get them to come back from australia and dubai they could do a deal where some of the houses are set aside for builders electrician and plumbers and nurses that are coming back and they get sorted out with a house



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    #434
    Wanderer78
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514912#Comment_119514912

    sf will try to increase public housing, but they ll struggle with it....



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    #435
    Brucie Bonus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513589#Comment_119513589
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514127#Comment_119514127

    You're having a laugh. It was down to demolishing older blocks of flats based on the regeneration scam (FF started) and tenant purchases. Cut your codology you messer.

    And its gotten worse under FF/FG.

    You're just spamming head in the sand falsehoods.



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    #436
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    There are a few things, which FFG will not do, which would help.


    Vacancy tax. You got a property which is vacant for more than a year? Tax it

    Planning tax. You got a planned site in a development zone and have not commence building within a year of planning. Large % of value tax

    Deriliction tax: Allowed a property to become uninhabitable? You guess it, tax that thing

    Site Tax: Hoarding unplanned land, for non accepted purpose, in a high pressure zone? Tax


    Planning flipping: Planning can not transfer with ownership sale. Too many "Developers" just buy land, get planning, and sell it onto the next hoarder



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    #437
    Brucie Bonus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514650#Comment_119514650

    Charities for their many faults are helping to supply housing to people on lower income. Investment funds are building while FF/FG/Green wait in the wings with fist fulls of taxpayer money ready to lease rent and buy at whatever price is asked. This keeps prices high.



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    #438
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514987#Comment_119514987

    ...wouldnt suit their intended bases, so wont be happening under their watch!



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    #439
    Ouch Chinese Byrne
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514998#Comment_119514998

    When the Lower income people become Higher income people do they move out of there capped price house so the next low income person can move in?

    or does the higher income person have a guaranteed low income rent now and we now have to fund the next house for the low income person?



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    #440
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515163#Comment_119515163

    ...in an environment of rising wealth inequality, i.e. our current situation, less people move up the socio economic scale, and at a slower pace, than a more equal environment, this is also called 'social mobility', our fcuked up property markets is one of the main causes of this.....



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    #441
    Ouch Chinese Byrne
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    At the end of the day . SF policy is to build more houses to use as social housing.

    So no. They will not be solving the crisis.

    They will simply be promoting a benefit culture.



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    #442
    Brucie Bonus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515843#Comment_119515843

    How is helping working tax payers who's only option is often homelessness, to get housed, 'promoting a benefit culture'?

    It should not be forgotten that the current housing system relies heavily on benefits from tax payer money to supply profits and customers for investment funds and build to rents. Thats what is happening now.



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    #443
    brokenangel
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514987#Comment_119514987

    Vacancy tax we already discussed on the thread, maybe you know how many houses/apartments it would provide?

    Planning tax? you are going to tax companies because political parties and locals are blocking them from starting to build?

    Dereliction tax I agree

    Site tax: ??? not sure you can tax people for owning land. Are you saying you will force people to build on their own land?



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    #444
    FrancieBrady
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    Wrong thread



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    #445
    Ouch Chinese Byrne
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515881#Comment_119515881

    Why do you think working people are becoming homeless?



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    #446
    Brucie Bonus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119516442#Comment_119516442

    I'll not argue a commonly known fact that homeless numbers rise and encompasses working people on low income.

    If people are working and need assistance, I'm completely happy to help. We should be spending our money on helping our own rather than enriching investment funds profiting off our misery.

    I assume you feel grants for business, lower taxes for investment funds and bailouts promoted a benefit culture?



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    #447
    astrofool
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514912#Comment_119514912

    Are SF actually planning to do that though? Beyond having more % social housing (which they haven't managed when in charge of NI and DCC, but whatever), how do they increase supply if they're actively not approving plans already? How many years will it take them to get "approved" plans in place to start building anything? (given inappropriate building is, apparently, the reason they object to so many).

    If they were serious, they would be getting the plans drawn up now so they were ready to get started as soon as possible, are they doing that?



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    #448
    Ouch Chinese Byrne
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne


    I think 10,000s of houses or apartments and 100s of estates should be built for the sole purpose that only individual buyers or families or ftb would be allowed to purchase.

    This will drive house prices down to affordable levels so workers could actually afford homes.

    That way workers don’t become homeless.

    emergency short term housing can be built by the government for people who require help.

    Councils, Investment firms and Charities should seek their own land, planning permission and funds to do as they please.

    Post edited by Ouch Chinese Byrne on


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    #449
    Housing99
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119516552#Comment_119516552

    When my grandparents lived in social housing in Crumlin raising their family in the 50s, 60s and 70s my granddad worked for the ESB. In fact everyone living in the estate worked. Back then council estate tenants where nurses, tradesmen, retail workers, taxi and bus drivers etc etc. In fact up to the 70s you couldn't get social housing unless you had secure work. In England pre Thatcher you needed work references to show you where of the "respectable working class" and not "idle" to get one. So I dont know why you assume social housing cannot be the solution to have long term affordable and secure housing for the hundreds of thousands of us stuck renting.

    In Vienna for example, anyone earning under 70,000 is eligible for social housing, they pay 15% of their net income in rent, 60% of the population lives in one and they have diverse mixed communities with low crime levels as a result, you know because offering affordable social housing to mixed income levels leads to teachers and accountants living next door to the unemployed and not to ghettos.



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    #450
    brokenangel
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119516699#Comment_119516699

    It's not the 50s, 60s, 70s anymore



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    #451
    Housing99
    Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119516778#Comment_119516778

    Thats your response? No reason we couldnt have a functioning housing system like we did then. Considering we were all apparently poor back then and now we are apparently rich (even though young people are locked out of building a life thanks to the housing market)



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