Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I told you my sources, American professors of international policy. None are Russian. None of its propoganda its from US university faculties. It’s called Realism. I have yet to hear a reason why Russia couldn’t and wouldn’t flatten Kiev with a barrage of missiles if they wanted to. It’s a simple question, the answer to which is the mighty Ukraine warriors drove them back. It’s nonsensical rubbish. If you understood the last 20 years in Ukraine you’d understand WHY they don’t want Kiev. But the man on the telly doesn’t go back that far so you’re screwed.

I know it’s hard to conceive our own would dupe us, but they’ve very much succeeded. Ignorance is bliss as they say, keep listening to the telly, west goodies, Russians baddies 👍😂.

One of those you quoted basically laid the blame for the war on NATO and the EU. Straight from the Book of Kremlin Propaganda Chapter 1 verse 1.

One poster said that "russians could have levelled Kiev with rockets if they wanted". No, they could not. Rockets are a very inefficient way to level a city. One 150mm mortar gun battery can deliver more explosives on target in 15 minutes than 100 rockets, and do it faster and at a fraction of the cost.

Its nothing to do with what the man on the telly says. Its called critical thinking rather than just taking things you hear as fact.

We all seen the long convoys of military equipment approaching Kiev, and the amount of manpower they put into it. Russia was not going to expend all of that for some kind of feint.

Russia had no intention of flattening Kiev, the objective was clearly to try and displace the government and set up their own regime. You have been told this many times but keep coming back to the same line about Russia could flatten Kiev anytime they wanted.

You keep going on about all of us being duped by our own media. Have you ever thought for one second that maybe you are the one being duped?

I wouldn’t be as as confident as you that Ukraine won’t take Donbas and Crimea, their sheer determination and NATOs backup will not weaken. Putins regime will come under more and more pressure the longer this goes on and will eventually collapse.

Western supporters of Putin tend to be your cranks and conspiracy theorists. They firmly believe they have special information about what has been 'really' going on in Ukraine for the last decade but think that their compatriots are too dense to see it.

The rest of them would be the far right and far left, with their hatred of NATO and 'western imperialism' etc.

Good thread from a military / political analyst on where we are six months on, especially with a view on the geopolitical situation. In short, she believes the war has been an unmitigated disaster for Russia's standing in the world - everything that could possibly go wrong, has gone wrong.

Zelensky's independence day speech,

https://youtu.be/i0IIKa3B1z4

I think if they are genuine Irish people, they tend mostly to come from the ranks of America = BAD, NATO = BAD. And they see everything through this lens. So if any particular person, political figure or state is even vaguely Anti American or Anti NATO, they jump in behind them in quick order.

You can try and talk with them about Russia invading a neighbour's territory or the destruction of people and property - but quick as a flash, it's all 'if NATO hadn't done this' or 'NATO hadn't done that', 'if Obama or Biden or whoever hadn't done this it'd all be fine'.. At end of the day, you just have to walk away.

Interesting snippet is that Lukashenko congratulated the Ukrainian people on their Independence Day and said he wished to have 'good relations' with the country in future. Distancing himself from the tyrant in the Kremlin perhaps?