Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

It’s going to be rough on the teachers…

more stressful days, managing far bigger classes, language issues both discipline and education sides… I wouldn’t rule out a strike … I’d advocate and back them..

I already know a child who was told the school is full while readily accepting Ukrainians.

The mind boggles

The language issue is massive, going to lead to disruption and a lack of progress for many many children.

The reasoning no longer makes sense - a Ukrainian mayor has recalled his people, football teams are playing matches again, fast food places are reopening, hotels are taking bookings, and diplomats, politicians and celebrities have been making very public visits.

If it is safe enough for all these things, why not for those who left to return home?

Why are we still taking in new arrivals? Why are we putting them ahead of our own population and EU citizens in terms of benefits and supports, exceptions and fast tracking of access to state services, and now putting 11000 kids into classrooms that are already overcrowded in many cases, and let's not forget - classes that will be the first since covid restrictions were lifted with the readjustments that will bring (in some cases, their first year without restrictions).

This is what those still shouting about "doing more" are actually supporting.

... and on a lighter note..

It would seem Ukrainian doggies are fussy eaters!

Who knew?

Should Igor not be fighting a war instead of scouring adverts for dog food?

Assuming that's not just someone on a wind up, that's some level of entitlement. No offers to pay for the food that doggo needs, just give us stuff!

I'm sure there must be something in the pet store that he'll eat and they have plenty of cash in their pockets to try out the options.

I remember some eejit poster on here saying that schools in Ireland are not oversubscribed

Some schools in the South Dublin area are oversubscribed, but in the wider Dublin county and nationally, most schools are not oversubscribed. One thing that contributes to the perception of schools nationwide being oversubscribed is that parents apply for admission to a couple of schools in the area, and then when they’re offered a place in a school, they don’t inform the other schools.

The way you’re phrasing it, one is given the false impression that all the schools in the country are going to be piling the bodies on top of each other to squeeze them in. That’s not likely at all, when there are 3,200 schools in the country, and 11,000 children to be accommodated. Some schools will take in more Ukrainian refugees than others, similarly to the way in which Ukrainian refugees are being accommodated all across Europe by each country. It’s not simply the case that they’ll all be packed into the one area either or placed in schools which aren’t able to take them.

Btw, this article is from 2015, and to give some idea of what oversubscribed means -

Educate Together national schools are receiving up to six times more applications than they have available places.

A sample of four of the group's Dublin schools shows more than 1,200 applications were made for 335 places, with significant demand in some areas.

Educate Together said it has been calling on the Government for many years to provide more of its schools in Dublin to meet demand.

Spokesman Luke O'Shaughnessy said over-subscribed schools - based on the number of applications for junior infants this September - include Shellybanks in Dublin 4 with 261 applications for 139 places; Balbriggan, with 258 applications for 48 places; Holywell in Swords with 335 applications for 90 places; and Castleknock with 350 applications for 58 places.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/educate-together-schools-massively-over-subscribed-31001877.html

Whilst for Catholic schools around the country, oversubscription is simply not an issue (article from 2016, but again, not much has changed) -

Despite a widespread perception that 20% of primary schools are oversubscribed, a survey conducted by this newspaper has shown the figure to be less than 2%.

There are 3,200 primary schools in Ireland.

Of the 3,200 schools, 2,900 are run by the Catholic Church, which means 580 of them would need to be oversubscribed to amount to 20% of that particular sector.

However, a survey of diocesan personnel revealed that 46 Catholic primary schools are oversubscribed.

This equates to 1.6% of the 2,900 Catholic primary schools in the country.

Religious education expert Dr John Murray described the findings as “stark”.

“The actual figure is so low compared to the one that is being bandied about in the media. There is a discrepancy that is quite stark, there is no doubt about that.

“It is still a real issue for the schools that are oversubscribed but nationally it is not as big an issue as we have been led to believe,” he said.

Dr Murray insisted, based on the figures, that school oversubscription “definitely shouldn’t be an election issue”.

“People were making assumptions and things were blown out of proportion. For something of that size to be a major election issue would not make sense,” he said.

Fr Michael Drumm of the Catholic Schools Partnership (CSP) also dismissed the suggestion that there is an “enormous problem” with regard to oversubscription in schools.

“I think what is absolutely clear is that the problem is not nearly as widespread as what a lot of commentary has suggested. The number of oversubscribed schools around the country is actually very small.”

https://www.irishcatholic.com/less-than-2-of-catholic-primary-schools-are-oversubscribed-survey/

So a Gaeltacht school is being made teach in English ? Jeeez… that’s the hold these people now have over those decision makersin Irish public life… I saw it coming sadly… tip of thee iceberg.

the rest, sadly that’s the same story in others parts….

literlly changing the language of schools

https://t.me/ukrainianinireland

There is another here somewhere, a few pages back.

Am I supposed to care what you do or don’t believe? My only interest was in pointing out that Daisy mentioned that she remembered some eejit poster on here saying that schools in Ireland are not oversubscribed. They’re not.

What happens if we take in another 50,000 before Christmas? I don’t know, but I hope they leave a forwarding address for Santa or they’ll be some 11,000 children waking up on Christmas morning thinking Santa’s an awful bastard when they’ve been good all year.