Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

But aren't they going back to Ukriane?

Why not just do online zoom classes with Ukrianinan teachers who are back to normal in Ukrianie. Instead they are taking up our vital resource's. Seem like they want to stay. Surprise, suprise €€€€€

It's a sad mindset that people see no value just costs.

Must be lonely.

Well, Ukrainian children have been attending schools since March.

So what practical reality have you to report, what issues have you seen?

The idea of restarting the football league was to increase moral.

But the practicalities of that in a war zone are

A Ukrainian Premier League match on Wednesday lasted 4 hours and 27 minutes instead of the normal 90 minutes after being interrupted by air-raid sirens.

Rukh Lviv and Metalist Kharkiv kicked off their match at Ukraina stadium in the western city of Lviv at 15:00 local time (12:00 GMT) and finished it at 19:27, with three pauses after sirens sounded.

You mean you hope santa remembers to put a list in the local adverts telling everyone what their kids want, while santa sits on the free money pile.

Lisdoonvarna N.S. had a 132 pupils before the Ukrainian Refugees started arriving. The town had a population of 800.

900 Refugees arrived, and I would guess more than 132 kids with them. That is just one town. The problems are only beginning.

You do realise there is numerous schools in every rural parish right?

Many of which have faced the problem of getting students and face the real prospect of being closed down.

I'm aware of one which doubled it's student numbers and received 2 new teachers on the back of it.

A school closure due to lack of students is absolutely horrible for a rural locality.

The village soon dies on the back of it.

It's one of the reasons Ukrainian children in rural communities are being welcomed with open arms.

You mean you hope santa remembers to put a list in the local adverts telling everyone what their kids want, while santa sits on the free money pile.

No I know what I meant, I don’t need the small bit of levity I alluded to, being twisted out of context by bitter and resentful sorts to support their own narrative.

Instead of declaring that the problems are only beginning, something which everyone is acutely aware of, they aren’t any different from the problems that people are used to dealing with every day, regardless of their backgrounds, Irish, Ukrainian or otherwise.

You’re not some canary in the coalmine, and I’m not getting at you personally or anything, just stating a fact, that people are aware there are problems, and they’re dealing with them, and they’re receiving support to deal with them from people who want to support them.

I remember the same sort of shyte being said about Ukrainians now was being said about me when I was in primary school - that I’d be held back, that I’d hold the class back, that I wouldn’t be able to keep up and all the children’s quality of education would suffer - my mother was told it would be better to put me in a ‘special school’ as they were known at the time. My mother who was a teacher herself, didn’t take their ‘sagely’ advice, and it’s a good thing for me and many more children that she didn’t, because being dyslexic isn’t anything like an impediment to anyones education than the attitudes of people who determine that those children who don’t fit their narrative should be siphoned off to a ‘special school’ and deprived of an equal right to education as though they don’t belong in mainstream schools.

Since then I’ve always fought for children to have the same access to education and the same quality and standards of education as my own child has had, regardless of their backgrounds or additional educational needs, and to hell with begrudgers who would seek to deprive anyone of that right.

Still a disappointment to my mother though, she was banking on me becoming the teacher in the family and taking after all her relatives and their children on her side of the family 😂

Spoofer strikes again.

As an example amost all schools in the Dublin metro area are oversubscribed ,Especially secondary schools.

But its not only Dublin, huge areas around the country have the same problem.

Quoting a report from 2016 is a joke.

NOT only that.

Many schools cannot get teachers now..no accommodation to be found. So hard to support the classes they already have!

https://www.newstalk.com/news/dublin-schools-face-staffing-crisis-the-cost-of-living-is-crushing-teachers-1374346

He's just being practical Boggles. Perhaps he is a teacher as he describes classroom life and classroom conditions very well. Teachers are committed to honoring the right of each student to an education and I've have no doubt that we [I'm one] will do our very best but the class sizes are huge, there are a myriad of other challenges and resources are limited.

I think Klaz is also right about foreign language acquisition. I'm a language teacher and school learning alone very rarely results in fluency. It's a pity but a fact. But you are right that foreign kids can make good progress by interacting with the English speakers.

Deflecting again? Comment on the post, not the poster.

A lot has changed since March, and the CSO stats from last week even show that 38% of those that arrived are one parent with children. Assuming some are below school age, it would still be more than 10 per 500.

It also shows that individuals aged 0-19 (both male and female) account for 37% - Definitely more than 10 per 500.

Those stats don't seem to match, but they are the ones given. Unless 'children' are over 19 in some instances, it is at least 38 children per 100.

I am well aware that there are more than one school in most parish's. But the amount of Ukrainians being dumped in one area doesn't help that in any shape. It means that the closer schools will be full very quickly and more will have to travel further out, still getting full quickly. They are still coming in. That is the problem.

The bullsh*t that people are spewing here about having compassion and empathy for them doesn't change that. Maybe it's time to start being realistic and having empathy or compassion for more than these people who, let's be honest, most are just arguing the case just because there are people who are saying we are full. I wonder how strong their feelings would be if people started to say the homeless should be housed in the 'open homes' for Ukrainians, or those in DP. We already know how a few of the same posters feel about them from the other threads.

We already have a large EU share of the Ukrainian Refugees for our population. Things are opening up over there, whether or not you like how they are opening, is irrelevant. The country is looking forward and trying to get back to some kind of normality - no longer an 'emergency' status that encouraged the activation of the temporary protection directive.

We don't need to be taking more in. We can't keep taking more in.

Its a full time paid job with free personal promotion. A virtual signallers dream.

I wonder how strong their feelings would be if people started to say the homeless should be housed in the 'open homes' for Ukrainians

Absolutely nothing stopping you from opening your home to a homeless person.

It's your home, you can do as you please.