Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

There is also nothing stopping me opening my house to a Ukrainian. I have chosen not to. That doesn't really change anything. We will see how many of these open houses remain open when the Ukrainians move out.

I won't be opening my home, but I won't also be listening to people 'because' they chose to open theirs to Ukrainians. I have made clear where I stand on this as a whole. I won't be doing anything half-arsed.

I am saying it will be interesting to see how many of these open homes stay open for the homeless or those in DP etc. when their Ukrainian lodgers have moved out. No judgement there.

Call it curiosity. It's not as if all the problems become solved once the Ukrainian(s) staying with them, find alternative accommodation, or go back.

Where am I doing either?

I have already pointed out that there is no judgement, it is just curiosity. I have also pointed out where I stand. No 'pearl clutching' on behalf of one group over another from this poster. I'll leave that to the usual here.

It was a decent attempt at moving away from the original point made though, it only took you what, 2 or 3 posts?

I won't be around for a bit now, as I have to go, so I can't help you deflect further, sorry about that.

Pick another post and try and skew a sentence from that one, Might work for a bit.

Well at least you gave everyone fair warning at the beginning of your post…

However you appear to be having some difficulty keeping up with the thread, so let me catch you up to speed, paraphrasing of course-

1. Daisy pointed out that some eejit poster claimed before that schools are not oversubscribed.
2. I provided an example to demonstrate what is meant by oversubscribed, like 1,500 applications for 250 places, y’know, the sort of thing that is pretty much limited to the Dublin Metro area as you described.
3. Daisy then moved the goalposts and suggested that schools are oversubscribed and overcrowded… which is again false, but I figured fcuk it, I’m out.
4. Boggles provided recent evidence from the Department of Education’s own statistics that showed that schools are not overcrowded, they’re struggling to stay open because they haven’t got the pupil numbers.

Now you’re coming at it from the perspective of teachers who cannot afford to rent accommodation in the Dublin metro area, or wherever that refers to, I’m not exactly certain, but something tells me the boundary is at the end of your own nose. I’m not one bit surprised that teachers can’t afford to live in one of the most expensive cities to live in, in the world - they’re paid peanuts! Their work isn’t valued as it should be by our Government. When there were talks of industrial action here a couple of weeks ago, people here got their knickers in an awful bunch, I’d say there was still people pulling their knickers from between their ass-cheeks when the whole Ukrainian refugee situation ramped up, and their knickers shot right back up there and have been wedged ever since 😒

Of course there’s a shortage of teachers, and schools are having difficulty getting teachers, and that IS a national issue, which has been going on for the best part of a decade before now. Why? Because the pay and conditions are shìt, and even when teachers are qualified and they do a stint abroad in the Stans, they come back and they’re actually surprised things aren’t the same as when they left.

Really? Ireland stopped because Aoife and Cian went to find themselves in Thailand or the Australian outback or wherever, and they come back and expect to walk into a teaching position? They might do if their position had been held for them, while they were gone and other qualified teachers are having to claim social welfare while they’re waiting on a panel, but otherwise, no, that’s not how the system which they’ve chosen as their careers actually functions - they’re paid shìt, and they’re expected to put up with shìt. Many NQTs aren’t prepared to put up with that, others have no choice, and Government is absolutely aware of that too. There’s nothing gets past Foley I can assure you, she being a former teacher and all, eyes in the back of her head 😂

That is obviously their ability to be there and not impede the learning of other students due to language barriers. It’s pretty obvious but you’re looking for some kind of gotcha from it. It undermines everything you post when you go down this route repeatedly.

Thanks for your hot take on it, but that particular poster is well able to speak for himself.

Personally I would trust the teachers, they are professionals.

So, please provide a real negative, not a pop at the refugees. Your the one with the evocative language like "exist." Have the teachers complained about their English abilities? Or are you projecting?

Nowhere did I judge - especially not in that quote. You do realise stating something isn't judging? Nor did i specify any particular people. Other than saying it was the same ones. If you added 2+2 and came up with 5, that's on you. Not me.

Nor have I pretended to care about one group more than another, or have I actually pretended to care about any group., You saying something doesn't make it so, We could all make up 'shite a poster said' on here, but linking to an example would be proof. You won't find any.

So, once again, there is no 'pearl clutching' - Just further examples of you either not reading posts correctly, or making stuff up to deflect from the bigger point that was made.

Our local Lidl had several Ukrainian's, women with men in their thirty's, with the trolley's absolutely filled to the top. The local's seemed to barely covered the bottom of theirs.

Now I'm not saying they are all ignorant, but a few of these were lacking manners, pushing past my wife to get to shelves.

Sorry on that topic, did they get the back to school allowance? Schools are sending out emails begging for stationary/bags/etc for Ukrainian kids

Most probably.. The primary school mine are in provide the books and bill us for them, not sure if that's a standard thing everywhere but wondering will they waive these fees. In fairness a lot of the books will not be much use as we are in Gaeltacht, the teachers will have a fun time ahead of them trying to figure all this out 😏