Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

It'll continue until those from his base funding him admit the truth, that he's succeeded in conning them for years now and cut off his dollar supply.

The special master I see given and probably no objection by the other side. But this will be ordered as the files are looked at anyway and not as you get to see them first and stop the investigation

It may not get him anything. May say hey look something they took they shouldn't have (which was in the middle of what they could take) but it would cost nothing and it be calling his bluff

So you think the DOJ would put untruths in an affidavit that was used to get a search warrant. Have you any idea of the crap storm that would produce if known.

1st Trump and the Republicans would have ammo against the Democrats for years.

2nd Without those witnesses the DOJ effectively said it was a fishing expedition.

3rd The search would be declared an illegal one so any and all documents found could not be used in any prosecution that was to come.

Who knows given the documents were taken illegally they might have to return them.

Do you really think the DOJ and Garland are that stupid

It seems, from what is reported to be in Trumps legal teams filing with the court, about the documents and his wanting the court to reveal what is on the Mar-A-Lago search warrant and its affidavit [who the Mar_A-Lago witnesses are] that the filing also included mention of a message Trump had one of his lawyers forward to AG Garland. Now this is where things may have turned Trumpian in nature.

While it's possible that Trump's message delivered by phone from one of his lawyers to Jay Bratt, the chief of the counterespionage section of the national security division of the Justice Department [“President Trump wants the Attorney General to know that he has been hearing from people all over the country about the raid. If there was one word to describe their mood, it is ‘angry.’ The heat is building up. The pressure is building up. Whatever I can do to take the heat down, to bring the pressure down, just let us know"] was entirely innocent in content and an open offer to cool what was being ramped up by Trumps own invective about the FBI search of Mar-A-Lago, it's entirely possible that Trumps message could have meant something entirely different, given how he's passed comments about what angry persons stated they'd like to do to his V/P on Jan 6 at the Capitol.

It should have been stupid for a lawyer to deliver a message with the power of misinterpretation to the chief law-enforcement officer in the land, but Trump's lawyers seem to have an inadequate understanding of what and how the law applies to citizens equally, regardless of how secure and privilege-proofed they imagine their standing in society is. I don't see any claim of lawyer/client privilege existing to protect the Trump lawyer in that lawyer/Bratt conversation as it seems to have been also included accidentally in the unsealed filings Trump & Co made to the court. This was when Trump's own base were threatening to target and kill FBI agents [and their families] involved in the search at Mar-A-Lago. Putting his speaking where its due, Trump does have a history of blunt messaging to those he sees as mere servants.

It seems the lawyer-to-Bratt message was delivered the same day that AG Garland later revealed plans to unseal the warrant related to Trump's Mar-A-Lago property, said revelation may have been entirely coincidental, whatever effect it would have had on Trumps legal team of total public revelation of Trumps own acts and deeds contrary to the espionage act.

Looks like you're right about the scam part. Re team Trump pushing for the release, it may simply be down to him being anxious to know who the DOJ witnesses are in Mar-A-Lago over all else, incl lawyers advice.

Pushing for the release may hurt him bad if any part of the unredacted material proves or supports him or his staff handling it after it arrived in Mar-A-Lago. Mention was made of handwriting notations by him on some of the classified documents along with photos, newspaper clippings etc mixed in with them in the boxes. If they are dated [like most news pages are] as printed after he left the W/H, then a case can be made that the contents were not mixed up prior to him leaving the W/H but in Mar-A-Lago itself after Biden took up duty in the W/H.

If publication of those specific classified documents pages [redacted or otherwise] and other items don't endanger serving agents abroad or at home and doesn't cause harm to national security but back up DOJ contention that he handled them after he left the W/H then it closes the net further on him at Mar-A-Lago.

Silly as it might seem, denial of handling the documents etc, might fail due to the most basic of things; fingerprints, assuming those former Trump W/H staffers who went with him to Mar-A-Lago had their prints taken as part of their basic W/H security vetting and the FBI do basic checking of the documents in this criminal investigation.

I was thinking about how Trump may end up being linked in US history to Daniel Ellsberg, something he doubtless would never have thought possible, via the Espionage Act should he be charged with offences under the act. Ellsberg took it a stage further, by writing an article on the connections between Trump and Julian Assange, Trump having pushed for Assange's extradition to the US for prosecution under the espionage act. It would be a very strange end to this particular part of US national politics history.

Timeline of events,,,

"June 3: Jay Bratt, the Justice Department’s counterintelligence chief, and other agents visit Mar-a-Lago to meet with Trumps lawyers Evan Corcoran and Christina Bobb, who show them the basement storage area where the materials were stored. Bratt and the agents are given additional classified material that was not recovered in January, and Bobb signs a statement asserting there was no more classified material at Mar-a-Lago, to the best of her knowledge, according to The New York Times.

The Wall Street Journal later reported that in the weeks after the visit an information tipped off the FBI that there were still classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.

June 8: Bratt emails Corcoran asking that the storage room be secured. “We ask that the room at Mar-a-Lago where the documents had been stored be secured and that all the boxes that were moved from the White House to Mar-a-Lago (along with any other items in that room) be preserved in that room in their current condition until further notice,” the email reads, according The Wall Street Journal."

It's to keep up his "I'm the victim here" line rather than actually get them back, a "they robbed my election victory and want to stop me running again" conspiracy. Last week, when he claimed the FBI search team planted the documents in Mar-A-Lago, he also said he would have given them to NARA but the FBI stopped him from doing so by illegally taking the documents from him. This after he had the documents for over 18 months without handing them over to NARA.

Well, the lawyer now has a few options. Either they knew there were more documents and lied. Misconduct and probable licence issues

They were told by Trump there were no more documents, and Trump deliberately lied. This removes all credibility from Trump and he will have a tough time arguing any case.

But the lawyer will have to pick one and go with it.

Yet another example of people that get destroyed by getting in too close to Trump.

Take the emotion of Trump out of it. Imagine that an ordinary Joe had meet with known Russian secret agents, after ditching the rest of their work colleagues. Then when they left the company they worked for they took lots of trade secrets and patents/blueprints and kept them in their house. Denied they took them and refused to give them back.

They would be up on charges no doubt about it. This is exactly what Trump has done. He stole state secrets. His defence of not knowing, or thinking they weren't classified falls apart because he had been informed on numerous occasions that they were and asked to give them back.

I am actually really surprised that he is getting such little blowback from everyday Americans, never mind the secret service and military over this. The Americans take all this stuff really seriously yet seemed prepared to give Trump the benefit of the doubt for no reason

One thing about the two Trump lawyers involved in the early June meeting with the FBI at is that one of them is the man appointed by Trump as his liaison with NARA in the "discussions" on the handover of all classified Govt documents to NARA. The other lawyer is the woman who seems to have signed the letter to the DOJ certifying that there were NO more classified Govt documents in the storage room at Mar-A-Lago, following on presumably after the Jan this year handover of [15?] boxes to the FBI. For her letter to have no recoil on her, she would have to have been offsite and fixed with plausible deniability around the time there were any secret transfers and hiding of the documents to other rooms inside Mar-A-Lago.

If the DOJ was made aware of such goings-on, it would follow-on that this would necessitate a warrant search and seizure operation by the FBI to avoid destruction of the documents. Things were inevitable from that time on. Trump knows the name/identity of the informant is most probably on the evidence letter given to the magistrate-judge who signed-off on the warrant. He has to desire that above all now.

AFAIK, from what's been in the media reports about the August FBI search and seize visit at Mar-A-Lago., they were the lawyers representing Trump there at that time. They seem to be the senior lawyers on Trumps legal team but that might have changed over the past few days as there was mention yesterday in the media of Trump hiring more lawyers. If the new hiring report is true, that leads almost directly to find out what their law expertise is; Criminal Defense or just more of the kind he has up to two or three days ago.

If it's criminal defense lawyers, it helps explain why Lindsey Graham is spouting off about "battles on the street" if Trump is arrested. He must know there are good enough grounds to fear that arrest. He has no lawyer-client alliance with Trump which is probably why he's trying to avoid his chance to testify without risk before the committee or the grand jury. He has been at/in regular strategy meeting with Trump and Co since before Jan 06 2021.

On classified document-content, the Indo ran a small report about Trump saying he has info on President Macron's choice in matters sexual. As what Trump's says is not always reliable, he may just be running another "fake news" distraction balloon, a canard.