Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

It's truly amazing what people are willing to believe...of course the majority of deaths are in the aging, it is the same every year...this year we are witnessing a surge in excess deaths, we are seeing it during the summer months, that is happening in this country right now it will get worse as we go into the winter!!!

The rates of excess deaths are well above what we witnessed in 2020.

The government reaction to covid is going to kill more people than covid, that is pretty much where we are heading!!!

No excess deaths is very simple, deaths over and above the average.

No surprise the BBC will spin the numbers they are complicit in this just like all the other media outlets who frightened the population on a 2 year period by shouting the death rates at them all day every day!! Why wouldn't they spin it...the know their more loyal viewers will gobble up whatever they serve!!

At least the BBC are spinning the numbers, I'm willing to bet our lot are completely ignoring them!!

You'd wonder are Irish people who fawned all over Tony Houlihan for two years feeling a little bit sheepish...probably don't even know we are experiencing unprecedented death rates this summer, "busier than any winter" I was told by someone in the business, one of the standout moments for me was when a large bunch of young people held a party outdoors in the middle of the summer are were shamed by virtually everyone including Gov Ministers!!!

I mentioned before, our lot will sweep the numbers under the carpet, but that damn will be burst in the US or UK or elsewhere, the numbers are too great and will go on for years!

You really are the gift that keeps on giving...you are a great example of how easy it is to manipulate people.

The BBC are spinning the death numbers....they have been spinning them since March 2020 when they were grossly over stated, now they are spinning the excess deaths.

When we look back in ten years time, the amount of deaths will noticeably start to peak in 2022, not March 2020...you won't be able to pick out the 2020/21 death rates when compared with the last 10 years despite the hysterical headlines.

And of course it is the aged that are most likely to die, we see that in the Covid related numbers, but this excess is been driven by all demographics...young and old.

Thank you for vindicating the only smart decision I have made in recent times, to completely tune out of mainstream media!!

And yet we all ended up getting it anyway...so it was all a waste of time.

I'll ask again, if lock downs work, why didn't they work?

We were never going to get it all at once!! That has happened no where in the world...The restrictions were dropped last January and we didn't all get it at once!! It's an airborne virus, it spreads like all the others, even if this one has been engineered to transmit easier and do more damage in more immune systems.

"The restrictions"??? What restrictions were dropped and what restrictions were maintained?

What strains were in circulation, how many people were vaccinated at that point and how many people previously infected... So how about stop being deliberately disingenuous.

This one has been 'engineered'??? Come back to us when you have some actual facts and evidence and you're not just scattergunning vague statements and dog whistling conspiracy theories.

If you have a suspicion that was it was engineered and escaped from a lab that is one thing - you will note I haven't said categorically it wasn't engineered.

But at this stage, making statements of fact that it was 'engineered' without the evidence to support it is just vague innuendo if not conspiracy theory territory.

I don't need modelling to tell me I'm going to encounter more people if I can travel beyond 2 kms or 5 kms. The point is to contain outbreaks.

Or that I'll encounter more people if I'm mingling in a bar having a few drinks than seated at a table having a meal.

In Florida, they based the requirements not on the value of the meal but the % of revenue derived from food v beverages.

And in Ireland the concept of a substantial meal is already part of licensing legislation.

If anyone in Ireland says they act the same at a sitdown meal in a restaurant versus drinking pints in a bar -> then they are a lying weasel. And that trumps a dog on the street.

A total nonsense? Nope. It's from the BBC \ ONS data:

Another issue is the ageing population. The headline excess deaths data does not take into account the fact that there are now more older people. This may be responsible for more than half of the excess.

So to state it takes a decade or more it without merit or foundation.

We need to see excess death figures adjusted for the demographic changes since the baseline was established - and the baselines goes back 5 years. That applies to all demographics.

Then account for covid deaths & the impact of long covid.

Then account for local factors like heatwaves.

The remainder is what needs explanation.

I would then suggest we need to account for the 'harvest' effect whereby vulnerable people have taken extreme precautions and many types of viruses (eg flu) have been suppressed for 2 years and society is now fully reopened.

And also that where 1 spouse died or was debilitated from covid, this could affect the life expectancy outcomes of the other spouse.

We needed ventilators. To suggest otherwise is utter nonsense.

Among the reasons the worse case scenarios didn't play out was because of lockdowns \ restrictions & also voluntary shifts in behaviour in response to those projections. We also need to factor in that the early information from China was not reliable.

On the economic front... our economy is practically on a ventilator?

Is that a scientific or economic opinion?

There's a war on in Ukraine, haven't you heard?

We await your 'scientific' or 'economic' explanation of how that's not affecting the economy and it is all due to covid hangover.

Heatwaves affect excess deaths, are you seriously suggesting otherwise?

Data from the Office for National Statistics shows on the days with extreme heat - around half of the days during July - deaths rates were more than 6% higher in England than they were on other days.

There's things other than Covid going on in the world, like a war between Ukraine and Russia, two key countries for energy and food production.

To talk about inflation in a post without mentioning that war is utterly disingenuous.

But that would distract from your faux-hysteria about Covid.