The next Star Trek film

This this and this..! Am in full agreement. Would be great to see a post Nem trek on a starship. Doesn't have to be with Rios or any of the previous cast but the odd cameo would be nice!

I just thought he was a good character and had a good ship so was all set up.

I apologize for liking him. I'm sorry.

What was any Trek characters arc or pillar to their being after 11 episodes which is all he got before the LA mess.

A better team making a better show could have definitely done something with him and the Stargazer.

Hopefully we do still get something in that era with a new crew but spin off and nostalgia crap is too big right now. It'll have to be a Worf series or something.

Well the ship was bland but I thought he was certainly the best character in Picard. Thought he was the most human and I liked that (very brief) glimpse of him in a starfleet captain's chair at the start of the last season.

I mean, personally I'm not very pushed about seeing a new Trek movie. I think it is much more suited to TV. BUT if they were going to make one, I'd like to see something brand new. NO precious characters, ships. I have no idea what it would be about but I just don't want to see YET ANOTHER version of the Enterprise or any existing characters.

Pine, Quinto, Saldana, and Urban have all been pretty successful since too. I imagine it would take an unreal script or an unrealistic ball of money to get them back together.

Whatever about brand confusion and us knowing the film and series aren't related but I think it's safe to say a lot more non Trek watchers would be interested in a new Trek movie with Pine as Kirk than a niche movie like you described. Not saying it's a bad idea but it wouldn't be a big budget film and more of a Peacock movie.

But I think if they're watching any trek series in the first place they would realise the difference. Sure how many different versions of comic characters do we have on screen? Some at the same time. Grant Gustin and Ezra Miller both play the Flash. Tyler Hoechin and Henry Cavill as Superman. How many Batmen do we have? And people are familiar with alternate timelines and multiverses.

I'm not having a go at the Avengers but they are all just quips, mcguffins and fight scenes with little understanding needed. I was well able to follow the movies called "Avengers" despite seeing none of the stand alone movies.

F&F you could watch with the sound off and still follow and that's where the money is given the massive importance of the Asian market now.

I don't think you can really make that kind of Trek movie. Something like First Contact has the bones of it as it's essentially zombies in space but still requires too much backstory.

Mentioning First Contact is a good angle to look at. It's not just that it was "Zombies in Space", but it was also a pretty accessible take on that era of Trek. They introduce Picard's history with the Borg visually within the first few seconds of the movie. They build up the menace and danger of the Borg with music and visual keys withing the first 4-5 minutes. If you had never seen Trek before, the film does an excellent job of showing a new viewer what The Borg are about and why they are so dangerous. Having Lily onboard also gives the story the opportunity to explain the Trek universe to an everyman, much like what you have with Doctor Who's companions.

If you hadn't watched Trek before, you could get something out of First Contact, while at the same time a long-time Trekkie would stil be engaged. It's a difficult balance to get right, and I've only ever seen it a couple of times, but it could be a way to go with a new Trek movie.

They should gun for writing a story that would engage and attract Trekkes, but presents itself in a way that it can draw in a new viewer even if they have never seen Trek before.

Therein is the challenge. It would take some really good writing to create something based on an established Trek element like the Dominion War, and present it in a way that would make sense & appeal to the general viewing public. Another Trek example that comes to mind apart from First Contact, is Wrath of Khan. Younger me had never seen the Space Seed and I only had a vague general idea Star Trek and the Enterprise, but that movie made it very clear to me that Khan was dangerous and that the Enterprise crew were good guys who needed to stop him.

All of that was thanks to good writing and production, which I think can be done again if the right people are hired in.

Some of the stuff in that movie would be ripped to shreds now and some was at the time.

. Starfleet is constantly refered to as "the military" and David believes they are not to be trusted with dangerous tech.

. The uniforms are nothing like anything in Trek before (or after) and are again purposely designed to make Starfleet look like a 20th century navy

. It was derided by some as too much of an action movie at the time (too much pew pew)

. Khans crew are suddenly all young Scandinavian models.

And there would be war over the scene where Kirk won't raise shields when Saavik wants to. This would now be Kirk (all men) being made to look stupid and getting "cucked" by Mary Sue 🤣

There were some shenanigans with funding, although that’s often the danger with crowd-funding.

I’ll agree that Axinar was really just a basic Arms-race war documentary that hadn’t much else going on. But what they managed to nail was the real sense of expanding the TOS world and create a show that genuinely felt like a modern prequel to TOS. In the few minutes they had, they also did a great job illustrating the Klingon War. Discovery’s better funded attempt at that pales in comparison.

But alas, thanks to Discovery and continued messing about with prequels make covering the Klingon War a bit hard (unless it’s a side-story that has nothing to do with established characters.)

What might be good is a big-budget remake of that Pacific 209 fan movie. The idea was great, but they were clearly squeezing the pennies and the volunteers didn’t have the best acting skills. Remake that movie with professional cast / sets and then polish up the CGI they used. Could be good.

I don't think it was a scam. I was very optimistic about it when the mini version first came out and some famous faces were in it.

But then they tried to monetize everything and fcuking ruined fan films for everyone.

I was also put off of Axanar when it got this weird elevation to "real Trek" from people who used it as a stick to beat new shows with. It's really not as good as it's made out to be.

It's a bit like the recent beatification of Enterprise.