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Quiet Quitting - the new “great resignation”

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    It is happening all over the World, a lot of people are kicking back against working the long hours and after spending so long with family etc they don’t want to return to the hun drum

    Even our company, it was only a select few who could WFH, now everyone can because they can’t hold staff and they can’t attract staff if they don’t offer.

    You also notice the amount of people working late or contactable after hours is not gone.

    To be honest it is good and some companies seem to be struggling as they had a model of 2 people to do 4 people work and then just flog them till they quit. People just won’t do it and they are right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kailyn Important Talc


    The pandemic made people realise just how fucked over they've been getting in the workplace and that there's more to life than sending yourself into an early grave.



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    Tbh, I work in a profession where working overtime on a semi frequent basis largely doesn't benefit my job. If anything, I tend to do a better job if I just come in the next day with a fresh mind. I realistically do work more than a normal 9 to 5. But I enjoy what I do.


    I have had a handful of occasions where I've worked overtime to a substantial degree in previous roles, it wasn't good for me either physically or mentally.


    And in general I am viewed as a top performer in my role. Working well with my time is more beneficial than excess tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Personally I believe this is the new burn out from people working at home looking at zoom all day.


    The phenomenon being described in the article is nothing new. There were always people like that who would do only their contracted hours and be clock-watching from the start to finish time, and not in a time-management, organised way, but literally killing the time in between.

    “Quiet quitting”, it’s the new way to frame being lazy and unmotivated as virtues 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Don’t think so, you have people in our office pre covid worked hard all day but would still be working at 8/9 at night and up next morning

    Same people work hard all day but quit at the right time and just no work in evening etc

    I noticed it started in covid when people would set up call at 8 in morning and then 6-7 in evening, during 1-2 wtc

    People got pi**dd very quickly and then our work banned calls before 9 and after finish, also 1-2 was banned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,810 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    If you can wrap it up by 5, fair enough.

    You can be the busy fool and be the bestest boy or girl in the company and get fcuk all thanks for it. No-one ever regrets that they didnt spend doing more unpaid overtime on their deathbed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Just applying a trendy title to something that has gone on since time immemorial. RTE just copied and pasted what was in the Irish Times during the week. There were always people who did the minimum necessary in a job and people who after a number of years in a job started freewheeling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,352 ✭✭✭threeball


    Exactly, just a bunch of lazy pricks who never did the hours they were supposed to do or the work they were supposed to but have now found a way to label it so they end up looking like some kind of hero. A proper good recession is needed to sort out the wheat from the chaff. The world is full of these tick tock merchants who see no issue with spending half their day on social media rather than doing the job they were paid to do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Hmm I just went on a rant in my responses. I think it was the 9-5 mention from RTE, of all organisations, when that's a short work week for me.

    But yep, what you said nails it for a lot of cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    It's always been around, known as work-to-rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    We had something similar, half day Fridays - people very rarely use them now as they have too much on. Company isn’t exactly reinforcing the message either.

    Fair play to your company that’s a very good idea but how heavily enforced is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    That's not quite what work-to-rule is. Only working contracted hours is only a small part of it and it's an action taken in order to reduce output and efficiency, usually as a form if industrial action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,088 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    There's a thin line between being flexible and covering for headcount gaps/unwillingness to hire.

    I've no problem with an extra half hour or so here and there, or staying late to help with something like an outage, but if it became a regular or expected thing that would be a very different story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,585 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I can see there being a rise in people who formerly would have done a bit extra while in office, but are now becoming more black and white about things due to being at home. Seems like a natural consequence of a rise in work from home.

    But dickheads getting wet as they count the minutes until they can record themselves slamming the laptop shut at 5pm, all so that they can post it on social media and get the shallow kudos from other dickheads?

    Thats not a problem, because that sort of moron never contributed much to begin with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Quiet Quitting? Is that what they're calling the admin side of the HSE now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭naughtyboy


    I have noticed last 3years but especially this year the graduates we are taking on are even more lazy and beyond useless than usual.

    I have lost count of the times I have asked them to use their brains and get into it

    We have let go 5 already. All 5 having honours degrees in accounting , giving out degrees now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    I’m in business a long time and have noticed a change coming pre pandemic, but it’s definitely sped up.

    I think post recession people realised that no matter how hard they worked, their employer would let them go if there was a downturn again. Among younger people there was a bit of naïveté, unpaid overtime became quite common in some sectors, and people nearly looked down on those with better working conditions. For example it was v common to slag off the superior working conditions in the public sector, when the smart move was to join it.

    Anyway, a few hundred thousand people lost their jobs in the recession and attitudes changed a bit. The hard truth began to be understood, employers, myself included, can’t and don’t reward loyalty or hard work to the extent it’s deserved.

    People had definitely become a bit more sensible about how they worked pre pandemic, but it’s at another level now. Very hard get or keep staff and motivation isn’t a fraction of what it was in the Celtic Tiger years, or even three years ago.

    While it doesn’t suit me, the reality is people have just copped on, they’re not going to put in more effort that what they are payed for. It’s 100% fair, but it’s a challenge for business, the culture is no longer as pro business. It’s more like what it was in the 70s and 80s than the early 2000s.


    It’s playing out politically too, SF have more support than FF or FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I mean work to live not live to work right? I've had this attitude for my entire life, no regrets so far. Having said that I am motivated by personal relationships,not rules and if my manager asked me for emergency help at any time , including 2am as has happened, I help without hesitation because I want to help him, I couldn't care less about the company. In fairness he always gives me a day in lieu, if he calls me in like that, he's a good lad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Biting your nose to spite your face.

    You might not want to put in the extra effort and that's fair enough.

    When the promotions and pay raises are being dished out, you'll be at the back of the queue.

    When you're in your 20s and early 30s, free of baggage and have the energy, that's the time to work your ass off and make a name for yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    It doesn't always work that way. I've always selected people for promotion on the basis of their efficiency and quality of work and never because they work longer. In fact I always was suspicious of the ability of someone who had to work more hours than anybody else, or than the job asked for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,872 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Quiet quitting is a nonsense term.

    It is people working the hours they are meant to. Rightly so. There is more to life do your job, work hard when you are meant to (zero time personally for people who sit and literally watch the clock - but that is a different thing) and switch off when you are meant to be off. Pretty simple. Obviously if there is an occasional out of hours issue or an emergency I would happily help out even at weekends.

    People working huge amounts of overtime is not a sign of hard work necessarily,if anything I think we should be aiming for a 4 day week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,289 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Many of ye appear to have missed the definition of quiet-quitting.

    It's not about working hard during your contracted hours, and then stopping.

    It is about doing the absolute minimum you can do without getting fired. So contracted hours, minimum outputs, no learning new skills. Just plodding as slowly as you can get away with.

    So yeah, if you want to be an unpromotable dead-head, who has no colleagues who you can trade favours with ('cos you never do anything to help anyone else), then quiet-quit away.

    Just keep in mind that technology keeps changing. The skills which are keeping you employed today will likely be obsolete in a few years time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I think you’ve both misconstrued the group of people being identified in the latest social media fad. They’re not the people who work hard or the people you know you can trust, or that team you put together that you know you have each other’s backs on a project, you know what’s going on because your team are comfortable with coming to you with anything and you’re able to plan accordingly. Just now I think of it, as I said in another thread yesterday - when they ask me to add them on Facebook, I know more than I want to know about them already. I know I can trust them, I don’t need to know anything else about them.

    The types who are literally looking for praise for doing the most basic expectations of their employment, I wouldn’t want to deal with them in the first place. I don’t know how, or why they’re employed, but they’re clearly lacking in job satisfaction, it’s unrewarding for them, because they’re looking to be rewarded for achieving nothing. They always have a “sticking it to the man, company doesn’t care about you” mentality, whereas 99% in my experience, just don’t care about themselves.

    They’re not the same as someone who is efficient, productive and capable of managing their time effectively so that I know I can rely on them, I don’t have to micro-manage them to the nth degree, wasting my own time that’s better spent on work projects I’m working on. It sounds like those employees engaging in this latest fad just want people to notice them, they want to be supervised and micro-managed so they can justify their bad attitude to the world of employment as an adult, where they are expected to be able to be trusted to manage themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    IMHO - employers have been taking the piss. Expectations of always on and blind loyalty. I don’t think the answer is downing tools at 5pm but neither is it acceptable that people work too 9pm and still have to catch up at the weekend with the implicit threat of no promotions or bonuses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I did read the article, and I read your post too. They’re not the same groups of people. The phenomenon being described in the article doesn’t apply to the group of people you’re talking about.

    The group of people you’re talking about are hardly announcing it on social media when they’re arriving at their desks, when they’re taking lunch, when they’re finished for the day, as if the online world is their parent, and they’re in kindergarten.

    It’s not a new fad that’s sweeping the globe, it’s just become more apparent due to social media, but it’s been observed across industries since industrialisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    To keep you happy, I am wrong and you are right 👍️



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    It’s that same sort of passive aggressive shìtty behaviour has given rise to calling the latest emergence of the phenomenon “Quiet Quitting”, can they not just say “I’m not happy with my employment”.

    I don’t expect them to say “I’m tired of this shìt and I want to quit but I can’t”, so “Quiet Quitting” it is, being packaged as something virtuous and brave, when it’s nothing more than trying to disguise their own laziness and lack of motivation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    If you are working reasonably hard and you are not finishing your tasks between 9-5 or whatever your work hours are, then your tasks need to be redesignated or the company needs to hire more staff.

    Never ever work beyond your designated work hours. Your manager doesn't care about you. The CEO doesn't care about you. The shareholders do not care about you. You are giving up your time for free, how other people can profit from it.

    I don't see it as quiet quitting. It's just being sensible and loyal to yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yep absolutely

    But there's a cost to that attitude, especially if you're in a job that is your career.

    If you're stacking shelves in Dunnes or making coffee in Insomnia, go for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,872 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I don't see why everyone should not be able to do their job in office hours. I work in IT trust me I have seen it, the amount and quality of work does not usually equal the hours put in. In my experience it is largely for show it wouldn't encourage me to promote someone over someone else, it's all about the quality of the work they do.

    Obviously in certain jobs they work people to the bone but people can only do that for so long. I also think people will demand more work life balance in the future which is a good thing.

    Post edited by gmisk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    This is eminently sensible, but it was a deeply unfashionable way of thinking for maybe 25 years.

    I’ve a few companies, different sectors, and it is genuinely amazing how the idea of time off in lieu came to be accepted rather than extra payment. Incredible. One of my companies saved close to €100k the first year it was introduced. In essence me and a partner were up that money and the workers were down it. And nearly all of them stayed until the company folded in the recession.

    Someone else said there’s a cost to not putting in extra work etc. Young people need to be very wary of this way of thinking, if overtime isn’t being paid the cost is far more likely to be to you than anyone else. Don’t get lured in by hopes of promotion, unless there is a very, very clear path.

    By all means work very hard during the hours of work, but don’t donate your time to an employer. It’s common sense, that somehow became very uncommon. If an employer sees you have a bit of sense and won’t work for free they’re far more likely to respect you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Drog79


    Also have heard it referred to as acting your wage.

    Hence minimum wage roles= no extras.

    Reasonable salary= some non standard flex and responsibilities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    People are copping on and fighting back against a system/culture that expects you to put in work "above and beyond" your current payscale in order to angle yourself in for promotions.

    Which of course, is complete bullshit, because of course it is. And everyone working from home for the last couple years and "doing their own research" has yielded some unexpected results: like more people being aware of how drastic the rip-off of this scheme is. And what's worse for businesses, is there is ONE CHART that shows it to anyone.

    This one:

    The other problem was politicians keep saying the quiet parts out loud. The most recent was this week, when they openly complained that student loan forgiveness undermines military recruitment (which relies upon incentivising payment for college, to force the poor boys (and girls) to go to war while Daddy Congressman's kids get an impeccably peculiar number of scholarships from Exxon). Other examples have been, blaming a mere $1200 of relief for tens of millions of workers having the mobility to leave their **** jobs and reapply for better ones and negotiate better pay, simply because they had the 2-3 weeks worth of expenses in their bank account to tell their abusive bosses to **** off without it being a matter of accepting abuse or the kids rationing their insulin. This crisis of infinite earths, this endgame, was called the Great Resignation. And now unemployment is at a 50-year low in the US, go figure...

    Calling it "silent quitting" is the new CEO thinktank jargon so they can justify laying you off for doing exactly the job descriptions they hire and pay you for. It means you quit staying late on saturdays while the execs **** off on friday after a corporate breakfast to go golf for the weekend. How dare you, honestly, be so ungrateful for the opportunity to shine those shoes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭Bigmac1euro


    Seen this earlier and thought it was interesting.

    Some places have been doing this to people for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Which of course, is complete bullshit, because of course it is.


    Calling it bullshìt though, isn’t any sort of an argument against the idea that promotions and rewards are given to people who are deemed to have gone above and beyond to earn those rewards from their employers, while the employee who is “silent q…”

    Oh for goodness sakes they’re doing the bare minimum is expected of them by their employer and looking to celebrate the idea on social media by portraying themselves as standing up to the corporate and capitalist culture and policies which they shall continue to promote in other ways (my LinkedIn is full of this stuff right now 🙄).

    They’re not actually adding anything of any value to society, they’re looking to be congratulated and celebrated for doing exactly what is expected of them by their employers. It’s a perverse means of social validation 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭seenitall


    In Eastern Europe there is a saying re. employers, goes something like this: The amount of money that you are willing to pay me will never be as small as the smallest amount of work I am able to put in for you. (I may have mangled the translation a bit because it’s difficult to translate, but hopefully people get the general meaning.)

    There’s another one: One donut in the shade is better than two in the midday sun. (Let me know if you need this explained, I think it’s a funny one :D)





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    Literally speaking, I would disagree with the donut one.

    Could you explain?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    I think there are some pilots but I expect it will never become mainstream.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Bosses freaked: who attends to their needs at the golf club on Friday’s?!

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It was as real and widespread as quiet quitting.

    That is to say, not at all.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    I've been doing the bare minimum the last year. I just call it hating work.

    I've been trying to see how much of a lazy bastard I can get away with. If anything I seem to be valued more by saying no and telling my boss what I will and won't do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Only have casual interest in the whole alleged great resignation event but where exactly are all of these people quitting to, quietly or otherwise?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Don't mind the latest tik tok fad.

    The old saying "A fair days work for a fair days pay" is the only worthwhile motto.

    Do your job to the best of your ability during your set hours and get a fair days pay for your efforts. If you don't get it then go somewhere else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    You see thus is the nonsense: Quiet quitters aren't quitting at all, they're just doing the job they were paid to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    It says they are doing the bare minimum throughout the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    This might be a better description if f what’s happening In Ireland than quiet quitting. People are looking for improved conditions, and if they’re not getting them they’re far more likely to move on than previously.

    Also stringing them along with a hope that at some unspecified date in the future they’ll be looked after is far less likely to work than it was a few years ago.

    I took a look at some out our old recruitment ads recently, no way you’d get an applicant now. We were looking for people who could work well under pressure, were flexible, could work on multiple tasks over the course of a week. It was all bs of course, but it seems mad now that you could recruit people by telling them the job was tough. Especially for what we were paying.



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