Quiet Quitting - the new “great resignation”

Unless you get bonuses or performance linked remuneration. You're getting paid to do the bare minimum.

If your co-workers get annoyed because you won't work for free. They need to cop on and smell the coffee.

Going the extra mile and/or being flexible works both ways. You want me to come in early or stay late. Then I want to be able to go early, leave early with the same frequency if be it suits. quid pro quo.

Every job is different. To generalise like this and then rail against that is silly. I've worked some shiatty jobs in my life, I've also worked good jobs, there is a universe of difference and it's not all down to sheer compensation.

It is now, yeah, but you can’t really make someone do it in practice. Basically we’d have to start paying overtime if they got organised and refused to do extra hours without pay, at the moment if someone says they’re not going working any particular evening there’s nothing we can do about it. Tbf I think they are treated fairly well in most ways, turnover isn’t too bad.

One young guy quit a few months after OT went. He told his manager he’d got a €15 pay rise but had made around 120 per week on OT. His manager came to me in a flap about it. I told him it was inevitable and the young fella was showing a bit of cop on and I knew some people would leave.

But to come back to the topic, quiet quitting makes an awful lot of sense, and to me it’s an extension of how society is turning. You see it politically. SF economic policies have been batsh1t for at least 20 years, but they’re the most popular party now because the policies come from a place of sympathy with the ordinary person, rather than big business.

Working conditions in general started to suit employers too much compared to workers, a backlash was needed, but what’s happening the last couple of years is surprisingly dramatic. Huge exoduses from lots of sectors.

Did you know this going into the job when you first joined? I think a lot of people getting caught up in over working because it creeps up on them. They start off doing some tasks and then they find they have some free time so ask if they anything they can do to help or go to the manager and ask for an extra task to fill the spare time and before the person knows they are killing themselves with the work. I know some people love this and makes them feel important but all that is happening is that they are seen as the work dump, what ever needs to be done give it to them.

Yes, I knew that one might cause confusion because getting it very much depends on what kind of climate you’re from :D

Let’s say it originates from the region where the best part of the year is warm or at least not remarkably cold, it’s pretty consistently sunny, summers are traditionally scorching. So it’s not Northern Europe, anyway! (Although climate change, something something…)

People don’t like to work under the scorching sun. It means you sweat much more, and all that. So it’s better to enjoy one donut (less money) with less work and strain (in the shade), than get two donuts (more money) for more work (in the sun).

I heard the saying from a second generation Danish immigrant from the Balkans, and it’s stayed with me as I think there is deffo truth in it regarding the mentality of the people. So take that for what you will! :)

You get paid to do a job. If you do the job your employer has no right to expect you to be answering emails or whatever when you're off the clock. Work-life balance was much healthier before people were contactable 24/7, people need to be able to actually detach from their job on their own time. Some companies are even enforcing this themselves. If they want you available they need to pay you for it. Helping out a bit from time to time is different, but only if your employer is relaxed and giving something back too. If a company can't afford to compensate workers for their time the company doesn't deserve to be in business.

And with regards to people talking about loyalty to the company: Loyalty goes both ways and anyone who thinks the average large company will take a financial hit out of loyalty to employees is deluded. There will always be people who swallow the "we're all a family here" bullshit and beg for the scraps from the master's table. You meet these people all the time, they'll wear how much their company exploits them like a badge of honour and berate others for wanting to live outside their job, spend time with their kids or whatever. There's no virtue in being played.

Of course, none of this applies to small businesses where everyone knows everyone and the business owner/manager doesn't just see employees as names (or numbers) on a spreadsheet.

Exactly this.

There's no such thing as "quiet quitting" it's just a new validation term created for the age old problem of someone who is unhappy with their job.

Being unhappy in a job is not always automatically linked to pay, people can be unhappy for a wide variety of reasons. The best advice is to get a job elsewhere. However doing the "bare minimum" as some form of passive aggressive protest doesn't really benefit that person in any way. I've witnessed this type of malicious compliance a few times and it generally leads to issues for that individual or some form of burn-out.

Malicious compliance with "bare minimum"

Sounds people have run out of snake old trying hold people when paying the bare minimum and offerings spartan terms and conditions.

Its not about the money = its so about the money.

Interesting segment on Bobby Kerr's Newstslk show on this. You can still get the podcast. He came across as a real prick of a boss outraged that his staff would only do what he paid them to do. The poor HR expert he was interviewing didn't know what to say and clearly wanted to back out of this interview as swiftly as possible.