Young voters' view of the Troubles on the island of Ireland.

Yes we did - the civil rights movement was under constant attack from loyalists AND the RUC. The provos only came to be after years of civil rights marches led to the grand result of free derry and free belfast - two ghettos with barricades up to protect the population from police brutality. You are incredibly naive or full of historical revisionism to say that the peaceful civil rights approach was never tried.

It was tried, and it wasn't enough.

again , murdering people for no political reason and then covering it up is a long standing tactic of sf , same as any organized crime gang out there . pretending that they didnt happen or slandering the victims as touts or criminals is just low

that is relevant

vote kinahan vote hutch vote sf

your understanding of the world around you is truly truly awful and goes some way towards explaining you posts 😏

Look the old days of SF/IRA using extortion, taxing drug dealers or drug dealing themselves, smuggling, labelling witnesses or anyone who opposes their activities as "grasses" and disappearing them, smuggling, armed robbery, murdering gardai, covering up paedophilia etc. are all in the past. Sinn Fein are a party of the people if we sort them out with the election they'll look after us free houses, free education free healthcare, free bins. people dragging up the past sure whats that going to help going over and over about thing that happened years ago?

As shown by your 'depth of knowledge' it isn't us who are living in a fantasy.

please explain the positives the three murders of innocents i mentioned

If nationalists had not engaged in violence they would still be living in a sectarian state, with a sectarian police force, and being burned out of their houses by sectarians.

You have this naive view that simply given time things will change by themselves - they do not. The catalyst for change is the actions taken to bring change about. If nobody acts, nothing happens. Nationalists had been peacefully protesting for years and all that happened was the beatings got worse.

Do you believe that if NATO hadnt interevened in Belgrade, that the Serbs would eventually have turned around and stopped killing Bosnians?

The 'lie down and wait for Unionists/Loyalists/British to be democrats' line was never going to fly in the thick of violence being perpetrated against nationalists.

You are living in a moral high ground fantasyland.

of course he does, hence he included sectarian murders as part of his wrong things were done.

ultimately though his post is correct.

I would agree we could do with a change if there was a better option but I don't think there is. I certainly don't see SF as being that option. David "up the ra" Cullinane as health minister? Pearse Doherty as finance minister?

this is just a re-writing of reality and history so as to avoid coming to terms with what really happened.

the PIRA campaign was a huge success as it forced the british government to the table, forced the british army to a stalemate, overthrew the sectarian statelet and removed unionist dominance rule, brought about a path to end the sectarian hate crime of partition independantly of the british government.

sectarianism was never just going to go away, that was always going to be a process and the hate crime of partition wasn't just going to end due to empire fever still existing to a large or small extent depending on who was in government in britain.

a peaceful sollution was unviable, this was proved, continuing with the same approach that lead to bloody sunday would have lead to genocide of the nationalist population at worst and at best large scale ethnic cleansing of them with the rump who stayed left under an even more brutal regime then they were already enduring.

it's absolute delusion to think that northern ireland and it's issues could have been solved with a peaceful sollution given that not only did the british government ignore it and leave it to it's own devices, but it actively backed and upheld the sectarian government using violence, and used all standard empire tactics in the conflict and more.

Oh the unintended irony in this post, yes if the people of ireland had been left to their own devices. Wasn't that the entire point of the various revolutions/movements down through our history? A wish for the people of Ireland to decide and govern for themselves, whether it be the 1798 rebellion, the Emmett rebellion, O'Connells repeal movement, the Young Ireland movement, the fenians, the Home Rule movement and finally the Easter Rising, War of Independence. There is a common denominator in who rejected/campaigned against those wishes. Can you guess who they were?

Perhaps when the democratic will of the people in Ireland was for self determination and a Republic after the 1918 elections, if the British Government had recognised those democratic wishes and entered negotiations then instead of digging their heels in, there would likely have been a lot less bloodshed in the last 100 years. Britain left the EU with a barely over 50% majority, support for parties championing an independent Ireland in 1918 was in the 70-75% range, but hey no dice. Democracy, but only when it suits. Is it any surprise that violence ensues when the democratic will is ignored time and again?