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Heavyweight Boxing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I think Fury will be to cute for Usyk i really do, there's nothing Usyk can throw at him that he isn't able to handle,

    AJ even in the second fight was petrified of tiring or being chinned & again never put the foot down , He did for 1 round won it easy then reverted to type,

    AJ , Chisora landed often on Usyk , Fury is far better than both, I think this is the step to far for Usyk where size, power & weight catch up on him,

    I actually think Fury will come out & put it on him something AJ couldn't do, Bellew done it but tired, Fury will put him under pressure from bell one ,he'll take some shots himself but i think he stops him ,

    Walshb we know u love to write of Fury but i think its time to realize how dame good he is,



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Big difference between how Fury has performed throughout his career than the rest of his generation. Look at how Fury dealt with Whyte recently or responded to the knock down against Cunningham or dealt with much more experienced fighters in his early twenties or became a knock out fighter lately. Big knock outs.

    The wins against Wilder are top wins. Getting up from Wilder's best punches. Beating Wilder to shreds. It took Wilder over 40 fights to lose. Has an amazing ko record, nearly 20 of them in the first round. Another 16 within the first 5 rounds. None of these things are easy to do, no matter what the circumstances. If Usyk had a 9th round like he did against Joshua, against Wilder, he'd be going to sleep.

    Fury changed his boxing style and delivered kos. Currently, there's no one close to him as a boxer in the heavyweight division.

    How Fury has evolved as a fighter is completely different to AJ. AJ's fight against Whyte was a see-saw that should have happened again. But Joshua has been a protected fighter, not his fault. He is the major Hearn cash cow. Ruiz beat himself in the second fight - partied hard and turned up huge, out of shape.

    Usyk and Fury are genuine greats. The standard of the rest of the division or the generation they're in is not their fault.

    Fury has a serious ring IQ and if Usyk beats him, he is truly the phenomenal boxer of his generation. I'd be speechless if The Cat managed to beat Fury. Fury is the best out there in the heavyweight division atm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I think your analysis is spot on. And doable. It’s a super fight. It’s far from a write off for me with Fury: I think this one could be razor close.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    I’d argue a couple of points here. I don’t think Joshua whyte was seesaw at all. Whyte got lucky against the run of play and rocked Joshua. Joshua was significantly better that night before the ko.

    whyte, like Joshua improved a good bit after that fight but he was well softened by povetkin too. He was hesitant enough against Fury but levels.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    If Usyk even goes the distance in this fight I’ll be in amazed awe nevermind winning it. I’ve always rooted for Fury and I like being right as rare a thing as that is but I’ll not know who has my support until that night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I know people on here don't rate Whyte which is fine & understandable ,

    But can anyone point to a fight where Whyte has not made a real go of it, like a proper fight of it where the other guy hasn't had to work very hard & hasn't taken some punishment himself,

    Fury is the first person to make Whyte look like a complete nonentity , like he looked levels & levels above him , He embarrassed Whyte,

    Now do concur we don't really know what the real Whyte is like post AVP , But Fury was outstanding in how he got rid of Whyte,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I thought AJ beat Whyte very easily.

    Whyte looked horrendous v Fury. Right from bell 1. Was it that he was horrendous, or Fury made it so?

    Post edited by walshb on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,682 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Whyte coming out southpaw still baffles me because it’s not like fury can be thrown off his game like that, he’s very adaptable as we have seen.

    not sure why whyte came out with all that bull that he was pushed and then his ankle was injured, he trained in Portugal for so long and he just didn’t look ready , I’d like to see how he fairs in the next fight which people are saying will be against dubois

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭geotrig


    If Usyk had a 9th round like he did against Joshua, against Wilder, he'd be going to sleep.

    Usyk ,due to his style ,looks troubled to me when he blocks at times .i.e the way he iscovering everywhere and is nearly armadillo like in his blocking of heavy shots ,he does get caught not not all that much.

    Now while I don't dispute that AJ won round 9 and live it looked like his redemption and win was on ! But on numerous watch backs I'm just not sure how troubled Usyk really was by it , yes he was caught with a good body blow early on which I think did trouble him overall trying to set up and gave AJ a window,it was around the 2min mark, AJ used his left to keep him close and drove the right in.

    When AJ's flurry came it was mostly dodged and not a lot of decent punches landed well ,well that's what I see on many re-watches anyway . And all it has told me is ,Usyk against any of the others has the evasive and ring IQ to get out of dodge !

    The only thing from fight 2 that has me favouring Fury more is that Usyk didn't land near heavy enough throughout as he did in fight 1.

    Post edited by geotrig on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Surely Usyk being competitive and seeing the final bell wouldn’t at all be amazing? I mean, other far less overall skilled and resourceful Fury opponents saw the bell, or at least later rds.

    I feel Fury may not be given enough time/chances to do real damage, or go to work to hurt, tire and drain Usyk. Usyk will be doing his thing in there as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    He was in trouble at one point of the fight so hardly very easy ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I happened to chat to our very own Thomas Carty on Saturday night, he spent last month over with AJ sparring,

    Hopefully one day we have someone like him to talk about on this thread ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    One punch. Split second, regained composure and won pretty much every minute of the fight and then knocked out Whyte. Very easily!!!

    Had Whyte landed a heavy shot and wobbled Fury, it wouldn’t change the fact that Fury won easily!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Surely being wobbled means its been at least some what difficult by default .,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Ah come on. You’re being pedantic here. 18-20 minutes the fight was.

    A split second he got caught very cleanly and was wobbled. Within a few seconds he was fighting back and composed. He won pretty much every round and then knocked Whyte out. It was a very clear cut win.

    Easy enough dominant win!

    For example: Mayweather was stunned/wobbled twice in rd 2 v Mosley. Apart from those few seconds, Floyd won the fight easily enough. Clear/cut winner. Easy winner



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    It was what 4 rounds to 2 and he was wobbled, Personally i don't count that as very easy,

    Very easy is in cruise control dictating a fight & under no danger, .

    Of ocurse its subjective but i just don't think AJ made it look like it was a "very easy" fight ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I had it 5-1 I think. Ok, very easy might be a stretch. But quite a clear/comfortable win from bell 1 to the end. And definitely a better version Whyte that night. Whyte looked atrocious vs. Fury, even when Fury was doing nothing.

    anyway, Whyte is just not that good anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,682 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Whyte did rock Aj and he shook it off fairly quickly, everyone I speak to says it was a close fight but Whyte didn’t do enough to trouble Aj in my opinion

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Lads Whyte was always an absolute also ran, pure donkey with poor discipline who even when he did turn up in decent shape (for him) he was still rubbish. His best win was Parker but he got that through fouling (elbows and a headbutt knockdown) and Parker being too nice. Even at that; Parker almost had him gone the first time he attacked (in the 12th).



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Against Whyte, AJ won the round well - threw a shot after round one that caused a bit of carnage.

    Whyte hurt AJ in the second round. Had him staggering - but couldn't finish.

    3rd was even. 4th was a big round for AJ. Staggered Whyte more than once.

    Both men had success in the 5th and 6th - but AJ landed the cleaner shots.

    In the 7th - AJ drops Whyte twice - game over uppercut the second time.


    Whyte was world number 1 for years and never got a rematch. He should have got it. Definitely an improved fight.

    Whyte is good but not Fury good. He won 11 fights after that loss to AJ.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,682 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Whyte was offered a rematch and he said it wasn’t enough money

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Making a derogatroy offer is one way of avoiding making a fight.

    “There’s been the first offer, but it’s utterly ridiculous, it’s way less than what I made to fight Chisora,” Whyte told talkSPORT.

    “It is a ridiculous offer, they’re not serious about the fight. It’s ridiculous, the offer comes with other options as well. It’s silly; I’m a pay per view fighter, I’ve built myself up. It’s not like I’m a journeyman, I worked my way up to No 1 with two governing bodies.

    "He needs to take that into consideration. I bring more to the table than even Joseph Parker did, and he was a world champion.

    “I don’t think he wants the fight, there are easier paydays out there for him and he knows I’ll bring problems to his Mum’s house.

    “It is a childish offer, if you want to fight, you make a proper offer, you know what I bring to the table. Me, Tyson Fury and Wilder, you can’t sell out Wembley with anybody else. It looks like Tyson Fury will fight Deontay Wilder (again), so he needs to stop messing about.

    “It’s an easy fight to make. I have the rankings, we have history, everybody knows it will be a good fight. Nobody will complain about the fight."

    Post edited by evolvingtipperary101 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Whyte was not world number 1, he was WBC number 1 contender. He narrowly beat Oscar Rivas to get that. Oscar Rivas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,682 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    If he was serious about winning titles he would have accepted the offer rather than fighting lower ranked fighters for less money and going nowhere

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    WBC? Would that be a world ranking body?

    I'd venture to say his ranking is not that far off Joshua. Fight makes sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Whyte is Shyte, always has been. The fact is there are 3 or 4 good heavyweights and everyone else is terrible. Whyte is in that 5-20 Bracket with Michael Hunter, helenius, Chisora and Hughie Fury amongst others. That’s always been his level.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Wouldn't agree with that. It's an overly negative perspective.

    A man who has dedicated his life to combat sports. A top kickboxer before becoming a boxer is terrible at what he does - even though he's a millionaire, top-end fighter at an elite level... riiiiiiiiiight...



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Going nowhere? 😂😂

    He did the right thing. He knew his worth. And got paid against Fury. Going nowhere... where are you going? Have you fought Fury, Joshua, Parker, Chisora, or Povetkin? And if someone is good enough to get in a ring with them, they're shite if they lose? Regardless of whether they lost or not?

    Only people who have belts are good, are they? 🤣 Jesus wept. 🤣 Whyte has had a very good career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,682 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    where am i going ? are you a child or what , this is a discussion forum for heavyweight boxing not a place to have digs at each other

    why did he turn down aj then and moan about the money, aj had all the belts and gets the lions share of the purse, given the fact whyte was moaning to ifltv everyday that he has been waiting 10k days for his title shot?

    yes whyte has gone in against parker and got very lucky in that fight, fury fight he didnt even land a decent punch and chisora is about his level it was a pure slug fest

    i am a fan of whyte but his career didnt take off the way it could have, he is entertaining to watch in interviews and fighting but if he was serious about being a champion he would have fought aj when he had the chance.

    look at the way he carried on with the fury fight, he wanted more money and refused to do media work and also sued the wbc, how many promoters will swerve him after that

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,113 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    AJ didn't have all the belts for the Whyte fight so I don't blame Whyte turning down the rematch if he wasn't getting paid.

    Whyte was always going to look bad against Fury as Fury is different gravy but he's had a very good career and still a live contender. If he fought AJ today I'd make him slight underdog 60/40 AJ

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,682 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    the rematch was proposed by aj and hearn in 2019 with an offer over 4m but whyte said it was not enough and called it chump change or something like that and then went to America to try and sign with a promoter there but he didnt close a deal and came back

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I quite liked Whyte in the period after he lost to AJ. He was improving a lot and had some really good wins in that period.

    But he has been very poor since the PEDs scandal. Struggled with Wach. Silly to get KOd by Povetkin. Offered nothing against Fury.


    I do hope the pressure is off now for the likes of AJ, Wilder and Whyte. They've nothing more to lose which could make some exciting fights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Lets be fair and talk sense,

    You have the big 4 , Fury, Wilder, AJ , Usyk

    Then Whyte is in the bracket just under that Whyte, Ruiz, Joyce, King Kong ,

    He is not top tier but he could beat anyone outside of that top 4 fighters ,

    To call him shyte is just silly,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The big four need to fight each other. Yes, we have had fights, but we need AJ v Fury and Wilder and Fury v Usyk and Usyk v Wilder..

    Wilder (I think and hope) still has something to offer.

    I really couldn’t care if I see none the rest fight. Although, I do like Joyce and his style. As in he comes to fight!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    They are prize fighters - it's about money. He has every right to make sure he gets paid.

    He was number 1 in a few bodies for a few years. It was agreed by many commentators that he was treated badly avoided. People will serve him alright - but he was shafted when he was on his streak of wins. And he did have a streak of wins after losing to AJ.

    Post edited by evolvingtipperary101 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,682 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    I didn’t say that lol

    you’ve lost the plot, what you are typing here doesn’t make sense

    try reading the thread and quoting the correct person

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Tagging the wrong person is hardly losing the plot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Boxing is a dirty, garbage can of a business. People get messed around and cheated all the time.

    Like it or lump it, Whyte is a top fighter. No point in arguing otherwise. Whyte deserved a shot at a world title when he was on his streak. He deserved the Wilder fight and the AJ rematch. He took on Fury when AJ (and Hearn) was running from Fury.

    The reason Whyte turned down the AJ fight was because Fury was offered four times more. Now, being offered half of what Fury was offered to fight AJ would be one thing, but 25% of what Fury was offered? That's tough to accept. Hearn & Whyte's relationship has always been up and down like a yoyo.

    I'd love to see Whyte fight Wilder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    AJ was never running from Fury..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    I’ve always said that about Whyte going back years. When I first saw Joyce make his debut I said that he would beat Whyte right then, Just on chin and Stamina alone. I put Whyte below those guys you mention in the category with Chisora and Helenius etc. I think Otto Wallin for example beats him most times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    He's made a career out of avoiding fighters and fighting fighters at the right time. He has cherry picked his fights. No Wilder fight. No fury Fight. Not even an Ortiz.

    Rather than fight Wilder or Fury he opted to face a light-heavyweight fighter in Usyk.

    Hearn/Joshua waited until Klitschko, Pulev, and Povetkin were just about 40 or over.

    That's classic avoidance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    How did AJ dodge/run from Fury, exactly? In 2021 they were very close to a fight.....it was Wilder and a court that blew that apart.

    It reads like you really dislike AJ and Hearn and you're throwing around baseless accusations to bolster this.

    Post edited by walshb on


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Read it like that if you want. I'm stating facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    So let’s see the facts. You have made accusations. The facts now need to back up your accusation that AJ and Hearn were ducking x, y and z.

    and having a hunch doesn’t count!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    No Wilder fight. No fury Fight. Not even an Ortiz. These fights never happened. Hearn brought over Ortiz. He fought Allen. They took a look and the fight with Joshua never happened.

    Rather than fight Wilder or Fury he opted to face a light-heavyweight fighter in Usyk.

    Hearn/Joshua waited until Klitschko, Pulev, and Povetkin were just about 40 or over.

    Where are the accusations? He has never been in with the best or when they've been in their prime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Usyk was pretty much a mandatory. The Fury fight was not there to make....you need to read up on this. There was no Fury ducking.

    Wilder-AJ didn't happen...as much on Wilder's side as AJs. It just did not happen.

    Wlad and AJ fought in 2017. When exactly did you want AJ to fight him, considering AJ is a pro since 2013 really?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101



    Whyte was mandatory for over 1600 days. We all know money talks in these situations. Mandatory is easily skipped over.

    Wilder has fought Fury three times. Fought Ortiz three times. High calibre opponents. Stepping in against Ruiz next. Fury like wise in a shorter space of time. What's Joshua's excuse?

    Things are not gonna change. The management team want their percentage cuts out of handy fights from the cash cow. They won't want to risk those percentage cuts.

    Joshua's new trainer - same thing -

    “I think it’s a really good fight," Garcia told ESNews of Joshua vs Wilder. "I think Wilder is dangerous, he’s got that one-punch power that’s hard to stay away from, and if he lands it’s going to be hard. Anthony has great footwork, great movement, great jab, straight one-twos, and he also hits very hard. He hits very, very hard, so it’s a very good fight.”

    “I think the smart thing to do with Anthony is take a couple fights that are gonna’ be comfortable, that are going to be good for you, get your confidence, your belief in yourself. Then go after another big one. Our first fight together against Usyk? F***, that’s tough, right? I think Anthony’s got a lot left, but pick the right fights.

    "Don’t go after the tough match right now. Not saying he can’t beat them, but he’s got the right. He went two straight, very tough fights. So get a couple comfortable wins. Everybody does it."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Get back to me when you can show how AJ ducked Fury......



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Get back to me when AJ fights someone with a belt in their prime.

    Oh yeah, that won't be happening.

    If can't beat a 35-year-old light heavyweight, he won't be risking it against anyone in their prime. Maybe, he'll fight Ruiz again if he can get him to weigh in at 283lbs again and get on his bike... 😂😂😂 Maybe, he can get Bellew out of retirement for a fight 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Ok, so as I said and thought, your last few posts on AJ were nothing but a rant against him an Hearn.

    No facts/evidence to back up the AJ ducked Fury nonsense.

    Bellew'd probably beat him, by the way!



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