Quiet Quitting - the new “great resignation”

A lot of the comments on this thread are a testament to the scars that people bear from working in bad environments. A poorly managed/run company or one that's on the slide can be a depressing place.

Conversely, good - even great - companies are wonderful. Thing is, it doesn't take much for a great company to become a bad one. I think you'll see it with some of the IT unicorns - spotify, shopify, uber, etc - in the next few months/years as things become a lot tougher. All it takes is for cash to become tighter; no promotions, no bonuses, work harder to survive, etc.

Ultimately the only one who has your interests at heart is yourself. If an environment is toxic or just not working for you, GET OUT. You won't change it and if it's bad, it's only to get worse.

Your advice is totally outdated;

The matra of going above and beyond in most work places is a scam sold to young people who learn quickly that they won't be rewarded for extra effort. Too often ive seen it.

I worked in finance for over 10 years and saw grads literally giving away thousands of hours for free. One particular disgraceful situation was 4 newly employed collegues working like dogs for a year and half for one promotion position. They did not know this. All of them were great and when came time to promote, the one person got it and the rest left shortly after. Then the promoted worker keft around 6 months later for even better pay. The 3 that left before him were on better pay anyway afterwards. Having talkied to some afterwards, they told me they liked the work but felt unfairly compensated.

These days you are far better just looking for a new job every year or two to maximise your value. Dogging it out at a company these days makes very little sense in most cases.

how is doing what you're being paid to do = laziness?

many employers expect you to regularly go above and beyond in what you're being paid to do but i bet those same employers would balk at being asked to regularly go above and beyond in what they pay you

employers feeling like they're entitled to free work but then clutching their pearls when employees expect to be compensated for the extra work is peak boomer.

a race to the bottom and then you'll get the "nobody wants to work" nonsense.

no boomer, nobody wants to work for crap wages.

Of course nobody wants to work for crap wages, and if they don’t, they are spoiled for choice. Employers too are spoiled for choice when they can get people who are willing to work for what the employers are willing to offer… and Millennials have their principles. There’s negotiating room between those two extremes is what I’m saying.

I can absolutely guarantee you I haven’t missed anything. People doing what they are paid to do, isn’t who we’re talking about here. It’s people who are deciding that they are going to do LESS than they are being paid to do, the bare minimum to stay with their employers. That’s why it’s such a ridiculous concept, to expect that employers should actually support employees who aren’t committed to the organisation?

I don’t ever expect anyone to work for free with no clear reward, that’s just misrepresenting what I’ve said since the beginning of this thread. I place great value in people who are committed, I don’t see why I would or should place any value in people who make it clear from the outset that they’re not committed to the organisation. There’s no hard feelings there, they’re just not someone I would wish to employ, good luck to them finding an employer who ticks all their boxes.

There’s no issue with my understanding of the concept -

: as low as possible

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/to%20a%20%28bare%29%20minimum

It doesn't matter how hard you have worked or what you have done for the company or how hard you have worked, if your department or your section of the department is in scope for redundancies then you are going to be made redundant. Now depending on the redundancy whether its voluntary or compulsory then you may get a chance to move to another department or section not in scope, if you want too. Remember company comes first before all else, it doesn't matter how good or bad an employee is when the company wants rid of you then they will so no loyalty. I have been made redundant a couple of times, all voluntary, and I have found that each time the people that didn't take up the redundancies were the so called "slackers". The last one I took redundancy one of the people that stayed on was on a performance improvement plan. Once the redundancy package is waved in front of peoples faces those that see it as opportunity to get out of the company with a nice little package will jump at the chance.

I went into my manager once and demanded a payrise of 5000 Irish punts. It was a big jump on my salary at the time - cant rem, maybe 25% - but I had leverage and the company was minting it.

Anyway he offered 2000, then 3000 but I refused. He then offered me 4000 and a snazzy new title - Senior Something-Or-Other. I told him to keep his title, start calling me Janitor and give me the 5000 punts. I got it.

The best redundancies often happen when a company is doing well and the economy is booming. Some companies will pay huge packages on exit to keep their reputation intact. I know a lot of people leaving successful companies on 6 figure payouts. Nice. Remember that redundant employees go to other customers/competitors and can bad mouth the original employer if not treated well on exit.

Why do companies do redundancies when times are good? Sometimes it's a business decision - product/service sell off or shutdown, division closure or sell off - Even companies that are flying it can have sections that are loss making or beyond their money making lifecycle.

That's crazy, wtf are the management doing? How are they not nipping that in the bud?

Think this is unsurprising in some ways, working remotely all the time can be very isolating and demotivating, so I can see how a certain level of apathy could kick in, especially for a young person who maybe had little working experience before working from home became the norm.

Putting in extra effort at works usually stems from either competitiveness or camaraderie, both of which are lessened significantly when working from home IMO.