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2020 officially saw a record number of $1 billion weather and climate disasters.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Some nice strong language being used in that Tweet. Meanwhile, if we zoom out a bit and look at the big picture we see a much larger cold anomaly thoroughout Asia.

    https://apps.ecmwf.int/webapps/opencharts/permalinks/2-m-temperature-deviation-anomaly-last-24-hours-7747




  • Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402


    Our neighbours in England have bought seriously into empirical modelling which lacks all physical considerations, including geoengineering the planet by insisting it doesn't turn once every 24 hours which in turn controls daily temperature fluctuations. Most weather services, including Met Eireann, no longer show temperature fluctuations as a graph in response to a turning Earth least they expose that no part of planetary climate research contains planetary dynamics.

    If the question was 'Is the Earth flat?' It would be less an assault on the eyes, but then again who would know it?.

    In an age of nuclear weapons, it can be dismaying to know how those in academic and political circles with the most influence on society can make themselves believe things. Climate change modelling is a symptom of a subculture that emerged long before any of you were born but with a definite and resolvable beginning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Combined intensity of heat wave events has reached the strongest since 1961 according to BCC (cma.gov.cn)

    Since 1961. Again we have a current event being compared to one decades ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    With all these rivers almost dry, why the hell are the local authorities not out in convoy dredging them while it's very efficient to do so?

    When nature balances the books, and it will, they will equally point to "climate change" when these rivers next burst their banks.

    Absolute morons in charge.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The Yangtze River has always had episodes of severe drought, as evidenced by the inscriptions on the White Crane Ridge just down river of the city of Chongqing above. La Niña also has a strong effect on Asian precipitation anomalies.

    Severe Historical Droughts Carved on Rock in the Yangtze in: Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society Volume 101 Issue 6 (2020) (ametsoc.org)


    The preinstrumental change in the frequency of RF emergence may not precisely reflect the variation in the occurrence of drought over the last 1,200 years because the observations and documentation of the RFs may have varied throughout history due to the succession of dynasties and corresponding changes to society. However, the RFs do show a relatively high emergence frequency during AD 1051–1250, a unique paleoclimatic stage known as the Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA) or Medieval Warm Period (MWP) in the Northern Hemisphere, and a relatively low emergence frequency during the Little Ice Age (LIA) (AD 1501–1900). During AD 1051–1250, the average frequency of RF emergence is 10 times per 50 years. In comparison, the LIA registered an average frequency of only 1.8 times. The highest frequency of low water level events, 14 times, occurred in the 50-year period of AD 1101–50, and the lowest frequency with none occurring during AD 1601–50. It is also interesting to note that there is a new increasing trend of low-water-level events since the mid-nineteenth century.


    Three extremely low water levels occurred in 1107, 1129, and 1796; among them, 1796 witnessed the lowest water level among all years of RF emergence of approximately 0.65 m below the reference RF corresponding to water levels of approximately 137.4 m MSL at WCR and approximately 136.1 m MSL at QHS.


    Conclusion

    It was shown that the droughts occurred more frequently during the Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA) of Northern Hemisphere, relatively less frequently during the Little Ice Age (LIA), and once again more frequently under the background of modern global warming. It also suggested that a warmer Euro-Asian continent during the MCA was in favor of the stronger East Asian summer monsoon (EASM), and the resulting less precipitation, lower water level, and more frequent and more severe droughts of the Yangtze River, on the centennial scale; on the other hand, a cooler Euro-Asian continent during the LIA would help develop a weaker EASM, and the resulting more precipitation, higher water level, and less frequent and less severe droughts in the Yangtze basin.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    La Niña has caused a shift in thr Asian monsoon this year, with strong positive precipitation anomalies over this region and negative over China.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Why are these anomalies happening ever season.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    You dusted off the time machine I see.

    We’re are the stats for 1107 and 1129 and who took them I mean even the dinosaurs observed the asteroid.

    Do you not wonder why things that used to happen every thousand years or so are happening every year and often yo yo from extremes within the same year globally🤔



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Interesting you say that as you’ve just referenced “observations” in 12th century, 🤔

    🚨



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    It's the Monsoon and it's been bringing deadly rains and floods to somewhere every year for as long as man's been around. Exactly where each year depends on a lot of factors. Droughts in the Horn of Africa, La Niña. Heavy rain and floods in Australia, La Niña. Drought in Australia, El Niño. Add then more natural drivers to complicate things, such as the Indian Ocean Dipole, AMO, PDO, etc., and it all gets pretty complex.

    To say categorically that flooding in Afghanistan is due to 150 ppm of CO2 is just pure ignorance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Have a read of the article and you'll see the proxies for the droughts. I'm not going to explain it here when it's all written there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Just looking at the Australian BoM's climate updates, which are extremely informative, and they go to great lengths to explain how different drivers will affect the upcoming seasons. Well worth a regular read.

    23 August 2022


    Key Climate Drivers for northern Australia

    The Bureau's ENSO (El Niño–Southern Oscillation) Outlook has been raised to La Niña ALERT, meaning there is about a 70% chance (about triple the normal likelihood) of La Niña forming later in 2022. A La Niña event typically increases the chance of above-average spring and summer rainfall across much of northern Australia. La Niña years are also associated with an average to above-average number of tropical cyclones in a season—the average number across the Australian region for all years since 2000 is about 9 per season. There is also an increased likelihood of tropical cyclone activity occurring in November, compared to non-La Niña years. The monsoon onset date at Darwin occurs about a week or so earlier than usual during a La Niña event, typically around mid-December.


    A negative Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) event continues. All climate model outlooks surveyed indicate the negative IOD state is likely to persist until late spring. A negative IOD event is associated with above-average spring rainfall for the Northern Territory, Queensland and much of southern Australia. It also typically increases the chances of warmer days and nights for much of the tropical northern regions.


    During negative IOD years, the chance of observing a tropical cyclone across the Australian region in November increases, compared to positive or neutral IOD years.


    Warmer-than-average sea surface temperatures (La Niña) around much of Australia also favour above-average rainfall in much of Australia in the coming months. Climate outlooks indicate warmer waters are likely to persist through spring.


    The influence of the above climate drivers is clearly depicted in the Bureau's latest climate outlooks which show a very high likelihood of above-median rainfall across the Northern Territory and Queensland during this year's early wet-season period. Likewise, the Northern Rainfall Onset outlook indicates an early rainfall onset (that is, the first rainfall accumulation of 50 mm after 1 September) is likely for virtually all of Queensland and the Northern Territory.

    Read more about climate drivers in the Climate Driver Update


    Madden–Julian Oscillation strengthens over the Indian Ocean


    A pulse of the Madden-Julian Oscillation (MJO) recently strengthened over the tropical western Indian Ocean. There is good agreement amongst climate models that this pulse will further strengthen and track in an easterly direction in the coming week. However, the majority of models indicate it will weaken before the end of August, prior to reaching Maritime Continent longitudes. As a result, the MJO is not expected to exert a significant influence on rainfall patterns across northern Australia or further north, across the Maritime Continent.

    For Australia, a typical outcome associated with an MJO pulse in this region at this time of the year is a strengthened easterly trade wind flow affecting north-eastern Australia, leading to an increased chance of above-average rainfall for northern Queensland in the coming week.

    Read more about the Madden–Julian Oscillation (MJO)

    Just looking at the annual rainfall charts here, it's remarkable the correlation with the ENSO. The blue (wet) years all coinincide with La Niña (2020-21, 2010-11, 1999-2001, ..., 1983-84, (same as the Ethiopia drought - Live Aid), etc.

    Bad weather events were happening eons before climate hysteria became fashionable and news and media became shared around the globe instantly.

    La Niña events (blue)





  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    No the monsoon isn’t an anomaly but there has been significant changes in its patterns of late.

    According to this website, NASA, atmosphere CO2 is 419ppm as of July this year but you knew that 🤨




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Yes I did know that, which is why I used the 150 ppm as the extra CO2 portion above that utopian pre-industrial figure of 280 ppm. ;) These 150 ppm are supposed to be doing all the damage, are they not?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Right 😌…. I see you've not come back on my post 28/08 at 10:18am, a key observation really.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Nor sure what you mean, or if you know what I meant. My point was a current drought event - which is being widely posted as due to climate change - is being compared to one that occurred 60 years ago, during utopian climate. There were many other similar events going back in time too. If agw could only have caused the latest event then how did the many historical ones form? You can't have it both ways. Yes you'll talk about shifting bell curves and probabilities, but each single event is now being automatically blamed on agw without any analysis whatsoever. Pure ignorance and laziness.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Im not denying those things happened in the past nobody is. The key point here is not that events haven’t happened before it’s that there now happening more often, in fact such events are now common place. Your own posts highlight the issue. You constantly go back in time to and point to extremes occurring. You go back 5, 6,7 hundred years even 1000 in this last post, the fact that you have to go back that far to find examples of things that are happening now almost every year should tell yo something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Has there been an increase in frequency of Afghanistan floods? Or Chinese or Italian droughts? I assume you have data to back that up ans are not just going on media reporting? Show how 150 ppm extra CO2 have taken over as the driver of climate worldwide and not the other natural drivers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Things are continuing to look up! Gas and oil and electricity are going being priced outside of what the parasitical peasants in Europe can afford this coming winter, which should also have the knock off benefit of reducing their numbers on a grand scale.😃 Our leaders have at last started listening to the science!😊


    New Moon



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Floods are in Pakistan but you knew that, same as the 150 ppm and le Nina thing, anything to skirt the issue. Same old same old 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,462 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    An event that happens today and also in 1961 is not happening every year nor does that establish that it is happening more frequently, the larger statistical context was well illustrated for the Chinese droughts and clearly the peak period for them was in connection with the MWP which AGW proponents like to downplay because no fossil fuels. There was a similar back and forth about this year's heat and drought in Europe and the historical reports of possibly even more severe conditions in 1450.

    The whole problem with trying to link all weather variation to greenhouse gas is that any similar or even worse event in the pre-industrial past more or less disproves the connection. AGW proponents have gotten around this problem by labelling their critics as deniers rather than bothering to answer the criticism, which they cannot do. At least some of the AGW people have taken to saying that we will see a repeat of events of the past perhaps more frequently, but what measures "perhaps more frequently" and do they always filter out the increasing size of the human target? There is bound to be more urban flooding if the aggregate size of cities doubles every decade or two.

    This is a mug's game because every century provides a ton of examples of catastrophic weather events. The AGW people know that they are onto a good thing, there is no reason in the natural world why this steady drumbeat of weather disasters would taper off in the future, so all they need to do is to establish a link in public perception between that inevitable outcome and greenhouse gas. If somehow somebody could wave a magic wand and remove the excess greenhouse gas, we would still see frequent weather-related disasters anyway, so if we are trying to remove the gas so that we will have some tranquil dome-weather future, that is a lie being sold by charlatans in the political realm aided and abetted by strategic silence of scientists who should surely know better from their basic scientific training. But they want the sort of society and future that all this implies. That is the real reason for the "concern." If the best way to reduce greenhouse gases was to enable libertarian pro-business political movements, you would hear instead that weather disasters are bound to happen and there's no point in trying to prevent them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    The fact that you post a link from Tucker Carlson the lowest form of journalist you can find on Donald Trumps backside, says enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    You transcend cliche.

    Be honest, you secretly love Donald Trump. It's pretty obvious to all by now given that you can hardly go a single post without mentioning his blessed name.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Climate hero Biden:

    "IN A July 2006 speech at an energy summit, Joe Biden declared that “domestic energy policy is at the center of our foreign policy” and cited protecting U.S. oil interests as a factor in the Iraq War.

    Empire Politician - 2006: Position on War for Oil in the Middle East (theintercept.com)

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Climate hero Biden:

    Biden’s History of Getting Away With Racist Remarks

    Biden’s History of Getting Away With Racist Remarks | The Heritage Foundation

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Climate hero Biden:

    Why Joe Biden's fist bump with Mohammed bin Salman was a disaster - CNNPolitics

    Sucking up to Saudi dictators in the hope of getting more oil.


    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Climate hero Biden:

    Smiling into the face and shaking the hand of actual neo-Nazis:



    New Moon



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    "Floods are in Pakistan".

    WTF? The world and its mother has been talking about the floods in Afghanistan this week. What are you on?

    Afghanistan reels from deadly flash floods and landslides | Taliban News | Al Jazeera

    On the flooding in Pakistan,

    The summer rain is the heaviest recorded in a decade and is blamed by the government on climate change.

    So heavier rain has been recorded in the past, but this time it's all climate change. The last time a decade ago (also a strong La Niña, may I add) was what then?



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