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Can Sinn Fein fix the housing crisis or is it beyond them or anybody else?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users Posts: 27,890 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    And it is full of "I am not a racist, but.." quotes.

    I really hope that those SF representatives get their meeting with Roderic O'Gorman. They will be sent packing.

    Stoking up racist tensions is what they are at. I can't believe that we have public representatives involved in this, and I hope the FF councillor steps away from it as well.

    I see that Patricia Ryan had two representatives at the meeting. Were they wearing balaclavas?



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,890 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    What you really mean is that Sinn Fein cannot allow housing development to go ahead as they would lose the thing they moan most about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,890 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    "there is a concern that growing levels of homelessness and pending evictions in the areas where the modular units are being proposed could generate conflict"

    There it is in black and white. Code for stirring up racist tension between Ukrainians and Irish. We know what it looks like, Francie, we have been here before. Utterly disgraceful, veiled threats are not the way to do business.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I don't think anyone sitting on the homeless list would agree with your "debunked" comment. In fact the majority of people in Ireland are well aware that parties are blocking houses for political gain every day!!!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady



    Seeing issues down the road in 'areas with a very significant social housing need, where levels of homelessness are rising, and other public services including GPs and school places are under serious pressure' is racist?

    Away and have a titter of wit as they say around here.

    Far to desperate is your problem blanch, why didn't you throw in misogynistic and homophobic so we could have a decent game of bingo?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,958 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Instead of taxing vacant land and unused properties, the Government should PAY the owners handsomely to sell it within one month. Same for developers. If you build here's a bonus thanks.

    No matter what way you look at it, it is going to cost gazillions, so get on with it, and if it means making some people rich, well so what, it was ever thus for the haves and have nots. Some have what is needed, some need what is hoarded.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,890 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Issues down the road, Francie? Read the reports, there were clear racist undertones in those meetings, and she backed them completely, with her dark warnings of conflict. Play down SF wrongdoing, it is what you post, all the time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    The vacant tax is a pipe dream. People will complain till it is introduced, then complain when it provides nothing and all it will do is screw over a few poor people that can't afford it.

    If parties stopped blocking houses for one year and let the other departments get on with their work we would have more houses than a vacant tax will ever provide



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Not a single racist note in it blanch...none.

    A local politician who knows the area sees a plan to bring in x amount of extra people when the area is already crying out for services and amenities as well as housing.

    Exactly the scenario that has kicked off trouble in areas around the country in deprived areas.

    Nothing to do with race.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,890 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    I don't see any racism in the articles just facts. There is already problems with sewage and other things and this will make it worse.

    This has to be done properly involving consultation with locals. Why can't some people see this. There will be chaos if this is not sorted out properly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,563 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Slava Ukrainii



  • Posts: 2,725 [Deleted User]


    We all know SF are the wealthiest party in the EU and own 100+ properties. Extraordinary levels of ownership of largely commercial property.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Edir

    Post edited by brokenangel on


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I don't see any facts in the articles, just xenophobic rants dressed up as 'fears'.

    It's just the usual pulling up of the ladder. All I see are people who have been housed by the local authority protesting against people being housed by the local authority, only in Ireland as they say.

    And I hate this 'we weren't consulted' Bs. AKA as an attempt gain the moral high ground without revealing you actually don't have any.

    Didn't take long for SF TDs to start breaking away from party policy when they realize that in the real world their base vote is made up of people with these attitudes.

    The problem with socialism is it's comprised of a load of individuals.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    im not sure id class irelands population growth as 'massively increasing', but i guess thats debatable, but its a nice way to simplify our issues, the globalised world is starting to collapse, policies implemented to simply extract as much wealth from economies as quickly as possible, are starting to fail spectacularly, this is most evident in our most critical of sectors, i.e. housing, health care etc. i.e. , you ll find population growth plays only a small part in all of that, even though it does play a part......



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Population growth here based on information on web.

    Now if you look at the population growth in Dublin then it is a different story but saying Ireland population growth is massive, I don't see it




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I agree. A person complaining because she had to be Garda vetted to get a house complaining about a person fleeing a war because they might* not have to be Garda vetted. Bit of an odd complaint to me

    Plus this habit of people going "I'm not racist....." and think that allows them to say whatever they want afterwards needs to be shut down.

    The "we weren't consulted" is that nothing would ever get done in Ireland if you went to every busy body to ask for approval. No matter which area of Ireland you went to someone would find a problem with what you are trying to do. It's the same in every situation.

    Like great example, people complaining about solar panels in a field?? what the f**k are solar panels in a field going to do with them? one person complained it would hurt the value of their property



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Based on the numbers below it took us from 2003 to 2022 to increase the population by 1 million. So if the government are saying they want another million people at best we could project it will be probably 2042 before we get to the target.

    Plus birth rates are down. So I haven't taken that into consideration.

    Or of course we could just take over Northern Ireland



  • Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭Eclectic Econometrics


    I have a question relating to modular homes that someone mentioned before.

    In Ireland how difficult is it to

    A. Buy land

    B. Receive planning

    C. Organise utilities to connect

    As a local? What sort of timeframe would you be looking at all things being equal?

    Also is it different as a foreigner, I have it in my mind that I have heard you can't build in places like Wicklow if you are from Meath, let alone Mauritius, for e.g.

    The reason I ask is that I have seen amazing modular homes being put up for less money than their 200-250 sq meter Irish equivalent in Germany and now the UK. It has gone well past what I saw ten years ago with Hufhaus.

    Any answers greatly appreciated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You seem to think more people in Ireland is a bad thing? in reality it is not if we build correctly and push more people onto public transport. The regeneration of towns and village all over Ireland can only be a good thing after years of them slowly dying

    At the moment Ireland seems to have more jobs available than we have workers. So if we have jobs what is the issue?

    YEs i know the automatic answer is housing but we also have a plan on that and as I have said if politicial parties stopped blocking/slowing down project we would have more than enough. I do think we need to scale up and now out. People need to forget about a 3 bed semi with garden. It is ridiculous in a city like Dublin for everyone to expect that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭nedkelly123


    FG have brought in more taxes against landlords and changes to the rental sector then any other party in the history of the state



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    again, immigration is a bit of a red herring, its not causing our issues, but is adding to them, i.e. reducing it, or even stopping it, wont solve these problems, but some folks get particularly aroused in thinking so.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,890 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Zoning is the first thing. The land has to be zoned.

    Secondly, the land has to be serviced, i.e. connectable to power, water and broadband.

    Thirdly, each council has guidelines for planning permission, ie. what they allow in certain localities. For example, DCC only allow high-rise in certain areas.

    If all of the above are in place, then securing planning permission for a serviced zoned land deemed suitable for modular housing would be simple and straight-forward, subject to one huge big caveat - the NIMBYs. They can delay and frustrate, and if they have enough money or political backing, take the issue all the way to the High Court which could mean a delay of over two years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    So it is all immigrants fault? is that what you are saying?

    We should return to the time when nobody came to Ireland to work and the people who lived here watched their children move to UK/US/anywhere once they could?

    Who said anything about more people=more money?



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    no it is not!

    again, modern political and economic ideologies are to blame here, some folks need to learn how to deal with their arousal problems over this!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭slegs


    We also have nearly full employment so its not the number of people that is the problem, its the volume and affordability of accommodation (rental or ownership) that is the problem. Immigration noises in this debate are mostly racist dog whistles as they bear no basis in fact.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭almostover


    Approx. 1 million extra people since 2005, a 25% increase in 17 years. Seems like a large growth to me. Has the country's infrastructure, health system, education system, energy provision and housing market grown at anything near a similar pace? Like hell it has. I've zero problem with inward migration. I've major problems with not planning for it in advance. Ireland needs to take a pause on inward migration until we sort our sh*t out for the 5million plus already living here.



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