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Is the future of FG with Leo Varadkar or Simon Coveney?

  • 30-08-2022 6:49pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,014 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    As FG leads up to taking the reigns again is FG'd future with Leo Varadkar or Simon Coveney?

    After the next election Leo will no longer be Taoiseach, so will he still be FG leader or will it be Simon?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭bmc58


    I could not care less with these two spoofers.Neither will matter after the next election.The Irish people will hopefully have seen through their false fromises and self serving policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,946 ✭✭✭buried


    Whoever wins....We won't give a $hit

    Make America Get Out of Here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    FG are finished as a major party....we are headed to a decade of political turbulence that we haven't seen in decades.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Bryce Spicy Logo


    McEntee is the future of the party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    Probably Varadkar if he has the appetite for it. He could have one eye on Europe.

    Helen McEntee does little wrong in fairness and she would be popular with many voters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Why is Coveney the only, or even the main alternative? He's managed the rare trick in the current government of being both dull and gaffe-prone and I would say his moment has passed.

    I don't think it's a given Varadkar will be gone after the next election. If he wants to stay on he can make a reasonable case that he's the man to spearhead the rebuilding job. If not I think Harris would be their best bet. Could turn out to be bright, young charismatic leader that Leo only shaped at being...





  • Have heard that many times before. There might be musings down the pub but when it comes to the ballot box people will revert to what they know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    FG are heading for oblivion under either of these box tickers. FG needs a revolution within and a firm move to the right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    The scatter of microparties fishing in the far-right pond aren't finding many votes in it, why would Fg move from the centre to there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    McEntee? Who was elected initially as a sympathy vote for her father, and who has done nothing before or since until she was appointed Minister for Justice out of nowhere - presumably a reward for being a Leo loyalist.

    Since then we've seen serious crime and crime in general shoot up, she has presided over the mess that is the free for all for Ukrainian refugees, and she spends her time championing populist social media causes and making twitter statements for de likes - until it turns out that it wasn't an Irish man at all, and no she won't be taking in a refugee after all.

    As bad as Leo and Coveney are, and they are! - the former more of the same as above, and the latter fully committed to dilution of national sovereignty (as a former friend of Peter Sutherland) and who wants to review our neutrality while bringing in another million people or so into already overcrowded towns and cities by 2040 - they are still a massive step up on Helen McEntee.

    If she actually becomes leader of FG and possibly Taoiseach down the line then we might as well just give up on the pretense of being a serious country altogether.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    If she actually becomes leader of FG and possibly Taoiseach down the line then we might as well just give up on the pretense of being a serious country altogether.

    well if the Brits are going with Liz Truss...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Between Boris, Trump, Biden and now this new generation on this side of the Atlantic, its no wonder Putin is feeling his oats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yep they will position themselves as the anti-SF party but when it comes to the substance of the policy will be marginal as they are still fishing in the same vote pond as FF and the soft left parties...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    Thing is Irish voters don't vote on policies, they vote on who they actually like.

    I think people like her.

    Who do you think might be a good person to lead FG in the future?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Maria Bailey is the future of FG.

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Paschal Donhoe or, a long shot as she's only a first term TD, Jennifer Carroll MacNeill. Varadkar is a serial loser who has lost seats for FG in every election that FG has contested since he was installed as leader. Coveney might have been better as the FG grassroots voted for him rather than Varadkar. Simon Harris might also consider himself leadership material.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Who cares, two cheeks of the same arse. The next election will finish FG off for a generation hopefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    Sounds interesting.

    Genuinely, your opine is valued.



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  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think someone like Mairead McGuiness will end up a compromise,looks to me a party barley avoiding a split tbh......though Jennifer macneill,or regaina Doherty would be serious lolz material


    The Dublin leadership rather open distain of anyone outside the m50 is being noticed and this messing about wanting to slash cow numbers has alienated a lot of lifers,who form back bone of its traditional Wing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭maebee


    "Two cheeks of the same arse". Brilliant expression. Never heard it before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Carroll MacNeill is more academically qualified than Doherty or McEntee. The problem is that she's a relative unknown in terms of national politics.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,049 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That's a long way away. Varadkar will be Taoiseach later this year. By the time he goes, there may be many candidates other than Coveney.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I think people like her.

    I for one do not like her. I find her odd. She comes across like a robot being fed things to say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Just two of the multiple thread posted on boards about the FG leader. Plenty more from recollection along with the almost weekly prediction of demise on the actual government thread.

    Varadkar is 43, the youngest of all the party leaders in Ireland by a significant number. Well between the main 4 anyway (Greens, FF, FG, SF) Has the support of his party and will be Taoiseach for the second time very soon.

    I never supported Varadkar and I lived in his area for a while and met the man a number of times. Will never vote for him after the childrens hospital was not put into Blanchardstown but I do find it really strange why this is constantly getting asked?

    Does it really warrant a new thread every time either?





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    I do think it is a fairly useless exercise for bots bashing FG anyways.

    FG voters are never going to wake up one morning and suddenly decide that what Ireland needs right now is a communist autocracy hell bent on cutting off Irish financial ties to foreign investment whilst supporting a black economy and taxing every income generating business that touches the country to support some lame housing scheme that some posh turncoat with Marxist notions of socialist utopia wrote a book about?

    FG voters see right through that crap and won't vote for it.

    Your best chance of mud slinging is at the FF vote, which is basically the same as your own except that the only people left voting for them are the ones that realise what a shambles you would make of everything.

    I would also have enough faith in Irish people to have the wit to see through it too, fingers crossed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Yea and that arse needs a good slapping come next election



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,057 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Ah here now, surely things aren't that bad for FG are they?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Coveney not likable at all, seems to have this dismissive attitude of differing opinions and his plan for up to another million people by 2040, well yeah thats going to work out great for the country. Id take Leo over him anyday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich


    there both crooks but Leo is gay so puts up with a lot of homophobia so shouldnt have to put up with as much flak you know yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,424 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    wha??

    Paschal appears to be the most competent and has held a high profile ministry for a long time. If Coveney can be considered "leadership material" then Donohue surely is too.

    McEntee may well get it purely for the perceived likeability and being down with the kids making tiktoks, stranger things have happened. I'd put her and Donohue as more likely to get it than Coveney



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    A boring robot. The charisma of a paper bag. I believe he was a complete dumbass in (private Clongowes) school too (heard from a friend in FG). It shows that you can throw a fortune at a person with no natural ability and add in the right connections they can be a success. Simon Coveney sums up everything wrong with Irish politics these days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Having an eegit like harris who didn't even finish college as your minister for education says enough, minster of health too, joke of a person.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Bryce Spicy Logo


    Varadkar was the ultimate homophobe.

    He was against gay marriage until it was a vote winner.

    As Timmy says above, Paschal, for all his flaws, is an excellent politician. He'll never get my vote but I respect him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    So you are complaining about Him as a TD because he dropped out of college?

    Not everyone needs to go to college and shouldn’t be called an “eegit” because of it

    These people, no matter what party, have managed to get right to the top of politics. Hardly an “eegit”?

    Post edited by brokenangel on


  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Bryce Spicy Logo


    A college degree is not a sign of competence.

    That is precisely the problem with the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,236 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    If I was betting today, I'd say McEntee would be next leader (depending on when it happened (timing could mean missing out due to maternity leave, so could be next +1).

    Varadkar might be young, but everyone has a political shelf life, funny that the younger ones in power tend to realise this faster and move on than the older ones (I'd guess because they can't pivot to something else as easily). If be surprised if he was still a TD at 55.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Varadkar was an example of a clueless FG oireachtas party going against the FG grassroots to pander to the politically correct morons in the Dublin media in the hope it would give FG some friendly media coverage. Varadkar has been a disaster for FG and has lost seats for FG in every election since he was installed. He even lost a seat in Wexford that FG had already almost won (Murphy). McEntee would be an even worse choice. FG needs a leader with brains, electoral appeal and good political instincts. Donohoe, Carroll MacNeill and Richmond should on the shortlist. Since it is the FG Politburo making the choice, they'll probably make a mess of it again.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Personally id like for instance minister of health to be a doctor, minister of justice to be barrister, that's just me though, id like my politicians to have actual experience in the fields they are making decisions that effect the whole country on, not just getting job because they are friends with the leader. Wasn't calling him an eegit for not going to college either, just think hes a weasely type character.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    To me as stated above, id like my minsters to be very experienced in the field they are managing, like any private sector job. Jobs for friends in high positions is exactly what is wrong with this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,606 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Think Coveney has done a good job dealing with the Brits on Brexit and constantly having to go on their media to counter serious ignorance. Think he's done a good job in his portfolio to be fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    We all know what you meant…but anyway

    You will find in most top private companies the top people don’t have a clue about the product /service they sell but that’s not their job.

    They bring their skills table while the rest of the team bring theirs…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    England thought they could push ireland over and end up with a sweet deal, in the end that didn’t happen and now the Brits are struggling massively

    Have to also remember Helen McEntee was right in the middle of that and got huge praise from Europe, of course in ireland some will say all she done was have a baby🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Ah not so sure about that, most CEOs have business degrees or some bit of expertise to run big companies, my point which you are not acknowledging is harris has zero qualifications or experience to be in a ministerial position of health especially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭cezanne


    MC entee inherited her daddy's chair due to parish pump politics & you say she does little wrong what about the gagging of the irish people with her hate speech & free speech laws, you dont realize whats shes doing under her blonde hair and gentle voice !!



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