Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

That's true, but that has nothing to do with your obsession over this particular topic. It's sad.

Look, I think we all understand what you are saying - whether it is right or wrong. The country is heading for a recession, lean times for many etc etc

Admirable.

However from a purely selfish rationale I have to look out for my own situation. I am in a technical role in the Public Service, the pay and conditions are no doubt better for what I do in the private sector but it is lean times that make the public sector more desireable (generally) - however, we've all seen that in lean times the public sector take pay cuts, increased hours and generally worse terms and conditions than they do in good.

If this happens as you expect next year, I and by extent my family will be far worse off than they are now. We are hurtling towards this inevitibility according to you and many others, which I don't disagree with.

Me turning down 6.5 percent or whatever it is now because "the country can't afford to pay it" makes absolutely zero sense when you think about it, if we are heading for this inevitibility anyway.........

It just means that when eventually things go to pot, the income loss MIGHT not be felt as hard!

Don't get me wrong, there are many people worse off than myself and when/if things go bad that'll be the same however to expect me or indeed people like me to turn down increased terms and conditions when they are going is just plain fantasy.

You wouldn't do it yourself.

I really don't think there's anybodys head in the sand - a lot of these issues are simply outside of the "something you can control" aspect of life and as such need to be looked on as such in the way I have outlined it above. You really gotta look out for yourself in things like this.

Just say you do get a few PS workers to "get their head out of the sand" - what do you expect them to do? Hand back money willingly?

Again, you wouldn't do it yourself.

no but the shite going on in here you would think the good times where hear to stay.

No I don’t see that mentioned as part of the deal.

The exhaustion is compensated by the opportunities for crass schoolyard boasting to boost his low self esteem.

The thought of anyone doing better than you or getting one up over you just eats you up inside. We saw this during Covid and WFH where you thought employers were stealing the minuscule amount of electricity to power your laptop while WFH by not reimbursing you your costs. You went on a one-man cursade about seeking costs from employers for two years.

Well in my department I see 4 new entrants CO's that started in around the same time as me.

3 of them have over 10 years experience with some form of education, 1 has a degree and 5 year experience.

Do you mean CS experience? Because 1 year of that should be enough to try move up.

It's nothing but a mechanism to keep CO's in roles longer and keep wages slightly lower.

Spoke to HR and finally got some clarity. Last February's 1% will be paid in the next 2 to 4 weeks. If a yes vote, 3% backdated to February, plus another 1% in October. So that's 5% in total of an increase coming in the next couple of months.