Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

Lol. Yea, you got him alright. No one noticed you dodged the question.

So either you do believe that CQD was engaging in the revisionism you're constantly accusing people of, but don't want to admit this.

Or you believe that his rewriting of events is acceptable.

Either way, it exposes that your arguments are complete nonsense.

Cool. What adverse reactions were under reported?

Any comments at all about the at this stage hundreds of dodged questions from the conspiracy theorists?

Like for example the most recent claims that the vaccines are causing the supposed rise in excess deaths? Or the supposed rise in infertility?

Do you believe that the vaccines are causing those?

Why should any one have bothered with your silly question given that we've yet to hear any coherent, rational conspiracy theory about the vaccines?

So people weren't told what to do, how to do it and the importance of doing it. It was all left very vague because it wasn't mentioned to them at all.

On top of that GP services weren't operating normally and it was difficult to interact with them. Also some people wouldn't have wanted to "bother" their doctor during "these difficult times".

It was, and is, a very inadequate system for monitoring adverse reactions. 

And no, I won't be going to a jab centre to "get the experience". My blood is untainted and will remain so.

Lol "untainted"...

But what adverse effects do you believe were underreported?

Also, since you ignored the questions I asked you, I assume that you also believe that the vaccines have been causing all of the excess deaths and a reduction in birthrates.

Can you provide some evidence for these claims?

So you believe that there is some conspiracy that you won’t specify based on procedures they you know nothing about, and you want people to tell you about the procedure so that you can then use it to build your conspiracy theory….

The fact that you won't tell me the procedures (or lack of them) for reporting adverse reaction is very telling.

Perhaps the procedures are non-existent or totally inadequate with the result that a large number of adverse reactions are not being reported.

"You are given a leaflet with information regarding the vaccine you are being given, and what to do if you have a reaction."

Do you have a link to a typical leaflet that outlines what to do if you have an adverse reaction? I'd be interested to see the exact information given, its prominence and the wording used.

If not, did it it contain a link to the "COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Reaction Report" on the Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA) website? Were older people who mightn't have internet access given paper copies that they could fill in and post off, if required.

Were there any follow up emails or texts reminding people of the importance of reporting any adverse reactions and how to go about it?

But again, you're not talking about what adverse effects you're talking about. You're doing this on purpose.

It's either because you understand that the vast majority of these adverse effects mean things like "sore arm" or "redness". If that's the case, then that means that you've no point as these adverse effects aren't an issue.

Or you aren't saying what the effects are because you subscribe to the silly conspiracy theories and believe that these are effects like death or infertility. If thats the case, you understand that this is silly, as people won't ignore adverse effects like this.

You won't say what the adverse effects are. This shows your concern is completely facetious.

You also ignore the majority of his post. This is typical of conspiracy theorists.

He pointed out that doctors are able to report adverse effects and monitor for these specifically. Are they discouraged from reporting also? If so, how?

You also ignored the questions he asked, so I think it's fair to assume that you can't point to any examples of some one who had an adverse reaction and was unable to report it. Given the claims on the thread this last few pages, we can also take that to mean that no one did this as no one has any personal experience of such a thing.

The "Jabs" have been tested and they have been shown to be safe.

(Still weird you guys are reluctant to actually use the term "vaccines". It's like you think they're Voldemort or something.)

"Still weird you guys are reluctant to actually use the term "vaccines". It's like you think they're Voldemort or something."

"Vaccines": I like how you put inverted commas around the word because they're not really vaccines in the traditional sense.

I used to call it needlecraft here but it's not allowed because it's sarcastic or something. Now I just call them jabs.

But they are vaccines. I put the inverted commas around it to denote it was a term you are avoiding.

You've been told not to use the silly term "needlecraft" because it was ridiculous.

Why are you not using the term "vaccines"? Are you afraid that they will come and get you if you say "vaccines" out loud?

Also, you ignored the majority of my post. Why? I believe it's because you're not able to address any of the points. I will assume that this is the case if you ignore them again.

"It's up to individual people to report their symptoms, if they have them. Not up to The HSE or whoever you think should be responsible, to text, ring, email every single recipient of a vaccine to ask if they've had an adverse reaction."

Come on lads. One of you must have the leaflet in a drawer that outlines the procedure for reporting adverse reactions. I'd like to see the exact wording.

Hopefully the section will be very prominent, urging people to report any adverse reactions and emphasising why it is so important to do so and how they do it either in person or online. There might also be a list of possible reactions that they should look out for.

They are vaccines in the traditional sense. They innoculate you with an element of a virus into your immune system to trigger an immune response to that virus to protect you against the virus should you encounter it in future. They have the same limitations as any vaccine which deals with viruses that can infect the mucuous membrane of the nose. They are still vaccines.

The studies cited on the thread from Sweden and Qatar and the other studies show how the vaccine produces antibodies, and immunity and the effect this has in cases reduction and protection versus severe covid.

Other vaccines for viruses have it 'easier' in the sense that the virus needs to get into the lymph nodes or blood to start causing damage \ symptoms \ spread - and the primed immune system has far more scope to stop it before it gets to that point. These other viruses tend to mutate less.

In terms of dealing with the virus getting deeper into the respiratory system, lungs, causing systemic effects - the covid vaccines work.

So it's not that the covid vaccines don't work - it's that they are dealing with a different threat. A relatively fast mutating virus which can trigger spread by an infection of the mucuous mebrane rather than having to penetrate deep into the body's core systems.