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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    I really can't see the GOP bringing trump back into the fold. He won't part with his fundraising, nor will he toe the line as he will only do what's best for himself. He won't run because of the legal shenanigans and will label any GOP who won't support him in these troubles as Rinos (despite it being political suicide if they did support him), thus disenfranchising his hardcore base from voting at all, leaving the GOP with no funds and a significant drain on their voter pool.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,623 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I the the job they have in front of them is quietly dropping Trump and MAGA-style politicians without alienating (and losing as voters) those who currently support MAGA-style politicians. There will be a kind of weird 'Trump was good and you are good for supporting him but now it's time to move on, and we need you to beat the Democrats' message.

    Trump's base need to be convinced to let him go....and that's a lot easier said than done.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Agreed , there is no "fold" to bring Trump back into . He only cares about himself and will do absolutely nothing to benefit anyone other than himself.

    The GOP are stuck in a very difficult position , one that they created for themselves by sticking by him when presented with multiple opportunities to cut bait. A blend of avarice and cowardice has brought them to their current position.

    Given all of the usual mid-term dynamics , the GOP should be looking at taking control of the House by a large margin and the Senate by 2 or 3 seats.

    As a direct result of Trump and his never-ending bullshit they are likely to lose seats in the Senate and are currently just about hanging in there in the race for the House.

    Other than just about sneaking the win in 2016 he has lost them every race since then.

    It will be interesting to watch how the GOP messaging shifts now as more and more damning information comes out.

    It's already started, in that they have moved to the "If Trump is prosecuted for this and Hilary wasn't for her emails then....." argument which in itself is an admission that they know he broke the law.

    For the GOP the ideal scenario is for Trump to be prosecuted and removed from the Electoral equation by someone else. That way they get what they so desperately need without having to get their hands dirty.

    His "base" is going nowhere and they probably account for ~20% of the GOP vote so they need to keep them onside somehow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    The weight of 6 years of cognitive dissonance will tear their brains apart I guess. Sunk cost fallacy



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,813 ✭✭✭✭briany


    To paraphrase an old joke - A Trumpist election denier dies and goes to Heaven (because on balance they lived a decent life) and asks God, "Hey, who really won that election?" and God says, "Joe Biden" to which the guy slaps his thigh and says, "Damn! Even God's working for the deep state!"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,514 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Nice detailed summary:

    To sum it up, Trump took 

    PLAINLY MARKED classified records to MAL, he delayed, obstructed and resisted Government efforts to recover them, he (or his staff) concealed the records from investigators, and they got caught doing so.




  • Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    It's likely Apple will do the same in a few weeks when they roll out their latest update. They're even stricter on this than Google.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,148 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The artificially tanned one seems to have completely lost his shít, did an adult sit him down and tell him how much potential trouble he could be in?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Even if they did, do you think he paid attention or cooperated?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Anyone with the intelligence or courage to actually tell him the truth is long gone (if they were ever there).

    He is surrounded exclusively by sycophants , incompetents and other grifters.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,813 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @Quin_Dub

    The GOP are stuck in a very difficult position , one that they created for themselves by sticking by him when presented with multiple opportunities to cut bait. A blend of avarice and cowardice has brought them to their current position.

    I don't think they've had a real chance to cut ties with Donald Trump. Not if they want to remain electable. If senior Republican politicians condemned Trump in the wake of Jan 6th, but then turned around and said, "Eh, actually maybe it wasn't that bad." or "This is just another witch hunt...", then that should tell you that something is very, very wrong. That should tell you that backlash was experienced and calculations were made. If the Republican party as a whole does not feel like it can cut ties with Trump after something like Jan. 6th, then they can never cut ties with Trump. Not every Republican voter's heart belongs to Trump but enough hearts do that he can boss the party.

    My basic opinion is that there'll be no watershed incident that will cause the Republican party to break with Trump except for the party to find a candidate who can tempt Trump's base away. Something they're hoping to do with Ron DeSantis, I guess.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,148 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    He has obtained new legal council AFAIK, so I imagine they tried.

    But did he cooperate? Would appear to have not, it's clear what he is doing, whipping up the crazies for more violence because in his diet coke rotted head he thinks that will give him leverage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    You mean the site that hosts traveller call out videos? What hypocrites 🤣



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    What happened in the immediate aftermath of January 6th is exactly what I am talking about.

    Initially a large number of high profile Republicans condemned his behaviour very strongly , but once they saw that his base was sticking with him in the 48/72 hours afterwards , their cowardice and need for power took over.

    They could have dumped him there and then and Independents and a decent percentage of GOP voters would have supported them for it. They could have voted to impeach him and he would have been gone. They would then have had 2-4 years (or even 6 years for some of them) to build back enough votes for re-election.

    But they choose immediate power and money - Probably looking at those Georgia Senate Elections in the short term and they are now stuck with him.

    I have absolutely zero sympathy for them though, it is as they say a rod for their own backs.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    What site hosts traveller videos?

    Also , Google are not refusing to host the Truth Social App because of the content but because they have not shown that they have the ability to moderate content from within the app.

    It's a "technical capability" refusal rather than a "we don't like what you're saying" refusal - After all , both Gab and Gettr are available for download on Google play.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,003 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Has anyone noticed this image is higher quality than the supposed Ashley Biden diary entry photo flying around from Project Veritas? Imagine that



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Lawrence O’Donnell delivering a 12min evisceration of Lindsey Graham, and it’s every bit as good as you would expect it to be. Every single word of it is true.

    One of the biggest cowards in politics, him



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,003 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Because Play banned them over a lack of content moderation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,813 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Republican think tanks judged that they could dump Trump and get enough support from moderate Republicans and independents, they probably would have done it by now. The likes of Mitch McConnell cannot in any way enjoy being toadies to Trump.

    If I'm a Republican politician trying to rationalise a support for Trump, I'd probably say something like if I don't support him, I'll probably face and lose a primary challenge from someone even crazier than me, so it's better just to ride the wave.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,003 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    They’re really trying aren’t they


    “We deserve to know what these secrets are that are so secret if we describe them it could jeopardize national security”

    these are the things they thought trump should have laying around with the Russians and Chinese and Saudis and Hungarians etc. all floating around with laptops and cell phones and USB drives

    We already have a good idea though, fortunately for this dumb plant

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    You're not big on reading into the details are you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Looking forward to your traitorous cult leader being indicted? I know I am!



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,437 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    wait, she wants the DOJ to release top secret information to prove that the information is top secret? i'm not sure she has thought that through.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,633 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    It really is quite mad. They have gone from claiming that none of it was classified, to it was technically classified but Trump could wave that, to now saying that until they know exactly what the documents are about then we can't just rely on them being classed as classified to determine if Trump did anything wrong!

    The guy has been found to have stolen classified documents. When caught, and seems rather politely to have been asked to give them back (certainly no moral Joe would be given such consideration), refused and got his lawyer to falsely claim that he had given them all back. o he basically lied to keep what he knew was stolen.

    Instead of asking what is in the documents, why are they not demanding that Trump explain why he not only took them but then refused to give them back? What was he planning to do with them? Did he have any plans to build proper secure facilities to secure the documents?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Totally agree , they have chosen self-preservation and personal benefit over any consideration of Country or Right/Wrong.

    They have absolutely categorically ceded anything approaching any kind of high ground here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    If he is, he is. I'll just have to look forward to De Sanctis for the next year :)



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's clearly part of the line they are test driving with "the Base" where the underlying element is that absolutely nothing they hear from anyone other than the Trump approved sources can be trusted no matter what they are actually saying.

    "The filthy extreme left radical socialist Democrats are telling us they are classified but what does that even mean anyway , for all we know this stuff could be Trumps takeout orders???"

    They say this knowing full well that the details of the classified info can never be revealed so it lets them play the "Everyone is lying to you" card.

    Their continued efforts to destroy all faith and trust in the Democratic infrastructure of the country just so their side can "win" is genuinely terrifying.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,813 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The point I'm making is really that it's not the Republican establishment's fault that Trump remains so influential - it's the voters radicalised by a huge amount of misinformation who support the man with a religious fervour. Republican politicians can toe the Trump line or they can stand against the man, but in districts where Trump has enough grassroots support, the result is the same - a Trumpist representative must be returned. If I can compare the Trump cult to a persistent noxious weed, you must tackle the root system if you're to get rid of it long term.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Well - It kind of is their fault , they have protected him , carried water for him and lied to cover up his worst behaviours which helps his enduring popularity by playing to his victim complex.

    Like I said , the opportunity to exit the Trump Train was January 6th.

    No voters or primaries involved , just the elected GOP representatives themselves - They could have cut him loose there and then for good.

    Yes , the "base" would have lost their minds , but there would have been absolutely nothing they could have done about it until next November at the earliest.

    In the intervening almost 2 years they could have actively participated in a full Congressional investigation and revealed all the things that most people have known about all along and picked Trump apart for the Charlatan that he is and broken his connection to the vast majority of GOP voters.

    Yes it might have cost a few of them their seats in November, but their was plenty of time for significant mitigation especially if the ones that stepped forward to vote for impeachment were those not up for Election in 2022.

    They didn't do that though , they took the cowards path and protected what they had without any consideration for anything other than themselves.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,514 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Please. She's known to have designs on being POTUS herself.



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