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Softening house market?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭lintdrummer


    Yes, you're preaching to the choir! I actually think Husqvarna robot mowers are the first purchase I'd make if we buy. EA told us that fitting stoves will bring the BER rating up to a B.

    Painting the kitchen units is a good idea for the short term, full replacement would be quite a big expense.

    I think my wife is hung up on the location in Broguemakers Hill. It is very convenient there. The ability to walk on foothpaths to the city centre is very appealing to her. I just don't like the layout of that house as it is.

    It's a tough decision. If we go for it and my wife doesn't settle in it, we'll be doing it all again in a couple of years!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I would never call a house that can take a grand piano easily modest



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭lintdrummer


    Well I didn't say it was modest, I said it's fairly standard. What I mean by that is that while it's big, it doesn't have any huge luxuries like wire in audio, jacuzzi baths, games room or any of that kind of stuff that you see in "executive" houses. But yes, it's big.



  • Administrators Posts: 53,836 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The landscaping on the Foulkstown house alone is worth an absolute fortune. The garden has been excellently maintained, and you already have mature trees. The decor is horrendously old fashioned and the kitchen is awful but very easy problems to fix.

    It is far better value than the house your wife prefers @lintdrummer .

    On a side note, I think that house exterior design must be one of the most copy-paste house designs in Ireland. They are everywhere. My in-laws house looks almost identical from the outside, but they have a different internal layout.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭wassie


    EA told us that fitting stoves will bring the BER rating up to a B.

    Unless the EA has been given that advice by the BER assessor, I'd be wary of any such claims. Ask them in an email to confirm this and you'll soon know if they are talking out of their ar$e.

    Reason I mention it is that if you acheive a higher energy rating you may be eleigble to access cheaper interest rates for 'green' mortgages in the future.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,646 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Over 19,000 sites/homes for sale now on Daft

    Its been slow in August with many people away but I wonder will there be an uptick in activity now that we are back in the school year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19 ticktickboom


    I faaaaaar prefer the Broguemaker house. The location is better, it's close to amenities in a lovely, leafy, well maintained setting. The other house is kinda in the middle of nowhere, that would be crap for kids making friends and also having to drive everywhere. The Broguemaker house has real personality about it externally and I actually prefer the layout inside to the other one. There's a touch of "Mc Mansion" off the other one. Just my 2c.



  • Registered Users Posts: 184 ✭✭Littleredcar


    I was told the same thing on Saturday by an agent . I viewed a house Thursday and this time 2 months ago I had to battle to get a viewing but I was the only interested party



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭KilOit


    House in the town is by far the better house imo. The thought of getting into the car every time I leave the house would be a nightmare for me. Wife is right I'm afraid 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭lintdrummer


    Agreed on all points. I think removing wallpaper and painting inside would make a huge difference. The exterior of the house is ok, very same-y like you say. Could eventually go down the road of exterior wall insulation later and refinish the house but I don't think it would bug me that much. The garden masks it.

    Well he did say he had been told that by the BER assessor, he even wrote it in the ad. He said you'd get the same guy out again and he'd upgrade the rating after doing the necessary work. It wouldn't be a deal breaker for me anyway, more a nice to have. I'd be doing the stoves and a smart heating system regardless so if that's enough to get it to a B then great.

    Each to their own I suppose! I liked the house in the photos but much less in person. The bedrooms are small with zero storage. The sitting room is long with a kind of sunroom at the end that isn't separated from the sitting room and feels a bit odd. It would make sense to extend the kitchen that direction by breaking through the internal walls and incorporate the sun room. putting a door into the sitting room from it. But there's a downstairs wet room in between them which would leave you with no downstairs bathroom if you get rid of it. Then the upstairs bathroom is small and there are no en-suites. There is no bath in the house which is something that would bother me. There is no room to put a bath in the upstairs bathroom.

    For me, it needs a pretty major redesign and probably a significant extension. Yes it's a beautiful looking house in a great area but it's flawed in it's design from my perspective.

    The Outrath house is not in the sticks by any means. There is a church about 200m away on the main road. From there, there is a footpath all the way into the city centre. Half hour leisurely stroll to the High St. 10 minute cycle. There are plenty of houses on the road so lot's of neighbours, though admittedly not as convenient for children as living in a housing estate.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,572 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves



    I have to disagree. The OP indicated he would need to put on an extension and do a job on the garage as well. I am guessing he is working from home a lot as he is paid in sterling.

    The Foulktown house is much more suitable for that. Did he say it was 3km from the center of Kilkenny not exactly out in the sticks.

    The issues with decor in the Foulktown houses are easier to resolve than the extension in Broguemaker houses. It's also 50 % larger neither would I want to be painting the outside of it. Foulktown is a much better family home longterm

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭Shauna677


    If I were in your shoes I would most definitely have waited, next feb, march and april will tell a very different story.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,572 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    And how much do you think houses will fall by???

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭Shauna677


    No idea, but i'm around long enough and seen enough recessions to tell you that things never looked as bad in my lifetime as they do now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭thedart




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,572 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves



    I am around a long time as well. I think that we were in a worse place going into every other recession. We are not completely out of kilter with every other economy which we were in 2008 and the 1970's

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭thedart


    I have more faith in a 30 year old plumbing installation than your opinion there.

    Ive wore the shirt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭Shauna677


    We can come back here next March and debate the topic further.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,572 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I have wore the shirt too.

    Earlier this year on the 2022 property thread I said I saw a price correction towards the end of the year in the 10ish% mark over 12 month time frame. However I cannot see a property price collapse as we do not have a over supply in the market.

    If we have continued inflation especially energy related building costs will not come down. Concrete, cement and similar products will not get cheaper if energy is dearer.

    This I have a feeling in my water is not an economic analysis

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    What is the state of the market at the moment regarding prices?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭Shauna677


    A recent newspaper articlle quoted that house privces



  • Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Ozark707


    The person behind this maintains some interesting (asking) prices here. Looks like Dublin overall is plateauing/slightly down over past six months or so.

    Myhome.ie asking price per square foot at 01-Sep-2022 7



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,996 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It is highly likely that interest rates are going to rise once or maybe twice before the end of the year, and in 2023 who knows? Anyone getting approval in principle now is unlikely to be drawing funds down before the next rate rise.

    Banks would be foolish if they weren't factoring in increased loan repayments into affordability calculations. You could go further and say that increases in the general cost of living will make it harder for people to find the repayments. Anyone who's on the edge of their deposit and salary limits might struggle to get a loan.

    On the plus side, if interest rates do shoot up, the 3.5x limit should (in theory) shield us from the total disaster that we saw in 2008.



  • Registered Users Posts: 210 ✭✭Mr Hindley


    I always find these stats very useful. It matches what I've been sensing. I think asking prices are plateauing, but I suspect the prices people are achieving are dropping - fewer crazy bidding wars, although still some happening, fewer people viewing and bidding on each property.

    I've been keeping an eye on the price changes listed on MyHome after the last couple of months, and there's a trend there. This wouldn't capture any proeprties that are removed and re-listed at a different price, of course.

    I'm also seeing price drops starting to show up more in places like Dalkey and Blackrock, which I wouldn't have seen so much of before.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Albert Manifold CEO of CRH says there's a second wave of building materials inflation coming. Materials will get even more expensive and building will slow, even stop. Then people will start getting laid off in the construction/supplies sector, GPD will take a hit but once the big Tech companies here start taking the hit from their advertisement revenues and their share price starts to fall they will be the next to start chopping. All in All, I can see a lot of the foreign workers both in construction and the tech sector moving out of Ireland in the near term, this will obviously help with the demand but we will still be under pressure on the supply side.

    Realistically, we will enter a recession and the ECB will reverse course with interest rate rises and money print till the cows come home with QE, some of this money will be put into the housing sector in order to build more to keep the economy ticking over. This would be the best case scenario for housing but the global economy is absolutely addicted to QE and low interest rates and the jig is up. All this does is create bubbles in asset classes and benefit the rich whilst creating divides at blue collar level.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,572 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The present metrics for calculating mortgage's are based on an ECB rate of 2% and mortgages @2% above that. It would take much more sustained interest hikes for the metrics to change substantially

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Commentators saying the ECB could go with 100bps hike, wonder what has changed doubt its the inflation. The only thing that has changed is that they now have a bond buying 'tool' for Italy so the can hike risk free now. These guys are actually jokers, control inflation by printing more money to buy Italy's bad debt, whilst hiking interest rates for everyone else. Anyway don't think it will work they are like junkies, hooked on the needle of low interest rates and ongoing QE in order to create growth. Our growth days are over in the western world our population is on the decline hence overall consumption will always be lower, the baby boomers was our growth period.



  • Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Ozark707


    From my experience you see far more price drops through the 're-listing' mechanism as opposed to the classic drop you see on the 'Price Changes' page on myhome.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,646 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Its good that myhome.ie shows price changes, but any idea if daft.ie do it?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭fliball123


    The option of printing more money will not happen as long as the big guys in Europe (Germany, France, etc) see the levels of inflation staying high as its not in their interest. A finger in the wind indication of this will be the ECB interest rate hike. It was marked to be .25% earlier on in the Spring this year. If this is put .5% it means things are worse , if .75% it means its a hell of a lot worse and some are touting a full 1% rise which means the sh1te is going to hit the fan and with the way the Euro is against the dollar I can see a full 1% coming and maybe even another hike before the xmas. We have tried the printing press and it got it us through covid but at some cost so its time to cut the fat and stop the borrowing.



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