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Farming Drones

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    Crop dusters must be worried




  • Registered Users Posts: 8 reiska


    My 50 heifers broke into an 18 acer field of maize last week. Drone would have been handy to find the bastards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    A large problem with drones is that they are often a solution looking for a problem.

    For some of the issues mentioned on thread, is a drone the most effective or even feasible solution on the current regulatory environment?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    The idea that an agri spec drone is only useful for finding sheep on the mountains or cattle in a maize field says it all really.

    One can be in the farming business and the money making business at the same time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    I priced up the various components to build one of those with a 20L sprayer (all CE marked) and it would cost approx €3,500 - that was about 2 years ago so I'm sure it's probably doubled, or tripled! I'm not sure what they're charging for an out-of-the-box solution, but I would hazard a guess that it's around €15- €20k. Then you have the software licensing such as pix4D or drone deploy on top of that if you really want to maximise the investment.

    I had started to build a drone similar to the DJI Phantom and it was coming in at around €200, that's without the high spec cameras - I had a 4k camera which I would need to test. This is for the father-in-law to send out looking for the herd, or checking the gutters / shed roofs. With a proper camera suitable for NDVI analysis, he could check for drainage issues, grass/crop health etc, but I put it on the long finger due to work being so busy, and I knew this would end up being a rod for my own back!

    I also had quite a few conversations with the IAA regarding the legality and requirements, these might be interesting for anyone considering getting a drone.

    Scenario 1: Class C2 drone operating on their own property in a rural setting within Visual Line Of Sight (VLOS) and under 400ft

    Interpretation: Subcategory A3. Drone must be CE marked and operator must be over 16, registered as a user and pass the open category competency requirements. 

    Scenario 2: Class C2 drone operating within VLOS and under 400ft – rural location but the land is separated so it may pass over other people’s land and/ or homesteads (intention is to avoid if possible) 

    Interpretation:  Subcategory A3. Drone must be CE marked and operator must be over 16, registered as a user and pass the open category competency requirements. [clarifications] does the user need to account for GDPR.

    Scenario 3: Class C3 Operating on their own property in a rural setting within VLOS and under 400ft. No uninvolved people present but the drone is being used to spray pesticide/ spread fertiliser / seeds - the drone is being used for targeted application, rather than bulk application. The container is crash tested and the contents are non-toxic.

    Interpretation: Specific category with a risk analysis [Clarifications] Is this covered by a PDRA or does it require a SORA analysis? This kind of operation is available already using a DJI Argas series with dronedeploy, so there may be a PDRA available. Interpretation is that it's open use if it's not transporting dangerous/ toxic material.

    Scenario 4: Class 3 Operating on their own property in a rural setting but the drone is being used BVLOS and using GPS/ GLASNOS – This is a manned operation but the drone may pass over other people’s lands and possibly regional roads, is this in the specific category?  

    Interpretation: Specific category with a risk analysis - There appear to be PDRA's for this type of operation but they limit the distance to 2km [Clarifications] is it possible to operate beyond 2km or does this require a SORA risk analysis? Also, does the operator need to account for GDPR.

    Final point regarding VLOS - if your drone is out of sight, but you have another person with whom you are in contact within VLOS, then this can be deemed as still within VLOS as long as the contact channel remains open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Girl Geraldine


    How reliable would it be though? I can envision the argument in the field with a machine up the axles - "why the fúck did you go in there" "the drone said it solid ground" "if it told you to drive off a cliff i suppose you'd do that too?"

    Setting up a drone to fly around a field before doing work is just another job to do.

    Keep a close eye on the front wheel and if it starts to squelch, then stop.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 227 ✭✭B Rabbit


    From what I can see, a new DJI Agras T10 comes around 15K and the T30 comes in around 25K. Honestly, this is something we'd seriously consider getting at home as the steep mountain makes it damn near impossible to control weeds any other way.

    Our quad won't even travel where we need it (without any implements, never mind having a tank of water on the back or pulling a weed licker)

    That's good info on the legality side of things. What kind of hoops would we have to go through to be able to fly the likes of the T30 in a rural setting, non-separated land, under 400 ft and within VLOS etc.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    With an IR system the idea is it would self apply herbicide as and when.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    On your own land, no uninvolved people, within VLOS and under 400ft... you could argue just having open category competency requirements should be enough. The reality is that if you're rural and away from the general public... who is going to see you. The only drawback is that you must register a drone of its greater than a toy drone and they would see that it's a sprayer drone. The legislation is terrible... its not something that has been given much thought and its so confusing and contradictory.

    My advice, go to a specialist drone training school and they should know what you need.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    I don't think that technology exists yet. The software basically gives you ariel map and let's you apply filters to analyse the area and then you can set the drone to fly a specific path to spray/ seed. There are a lot of automated tools available such as targeted spraying and row automaton.

    Its automated, but it won't determine what needs to be addressed... unless they have new technology that I'm not aware of. I haven't looked in about 15 months but I used to attend a lot of the drone deploy seminars.

    The cameras are unreal, especially the PIR technology. That can determine crop health and what need to be addressed, and the software can also do stand counts, which I'm sure is very handy for large crop farms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,149 ✭✭✭amacca


    Personally I'd love an auld robot topper!


    And a drone spot sprayer!


    And some sort of robot butler to tell "travelling salesmen" I'm indisposed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Girl Geraldine


    Most farmers already have enough to be doing without blasting away thousands on a drone and then having to upskill themselves on the technical and legal ins and outs of it all, and then piss away another few days and more money doing (what will be to them) another useless waffle course. And more damn paperwork no doubt.

    I doubt any more than a handful of fringe enthusiasts would be up for that.

    If this is going to become a reality, then it is likely to be a contract service offered by a specialist or by a general agricultural contractor who would see it as a worthwhile investment of time and money and having opportunity to get into a niche area of business.

    Farmer gets their mountain or boggy land precision sprayed for a fee without the hassle of breaking their back with a knapsack, or bollixing around with drones and software and licences. It lets them get on with the work of actual farming. Same way that most farmers got out of doing their own silage and opted for contractors when the technology for it got to a level of scale, cost and complexity that they were neither interested in, nor had the time for.

    Farmers, generally speaking, are farmers - not robotics specialists or electronic engineers.

    So go away, develop a practical drone sprayer, and then offer it as a contract service. And/or sell the idea.

    One technical thing I wonder about though, a 20 l sprayer will be heavy and will need an extremely powerful drone to keep it aloft. How would you prevent the significant rotor wash from dispersing the airborne spray to the point of uselessness?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,149 ✭✭✭amacca


    Would positioning the nozzle(s) a long way from the rotors (on a solid boom pointed vertically down) help....maybe its extendable or foldable etc to aid landing...or you have a stand and it can hang freely down while landing legs supported



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A drone sprayer would be incredibly useful for my farm, it wouldn't be spraying chemicals either. Xag seem the best to me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    Green on green weed detection with in line chemical induction for that spot is already commercially available.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,711 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    How far off are we with a drone that can pull ragwort? Asking for a friend?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There are already autonomous drones that will take care of ragwort, but their guidance system can be a bit temperamental, and they bleat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 338 ✭✭rounders


    Might be of interest. Drone mapping N and then a variable fert spreader to apply N accordingly


    https://twitter.com/IrelandsFarmers/status/1567075957864898560?s=20&t=TZ57lMmm-t6hJJ0MtYl6hA



  • Registered Users Posts: 227 ✭✭B Rabbit


    This is the way. The DJI P4 Multispectral Drone can map out fields in the same way for weeds, feed the info into sprayers etc and that way save on over application/waste.



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