Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

People have been anticipating mass tragedies involving cyclists and pedestrians since bikes were invented. Still hasn't happened yet.

As you're on a moto you'll likely see a few cars do the same at most junctions too as you'll be getting to the front of the queue at every light, no idea how you claim not to have seen even 1. When I'm on a bus, Luas, driving, cycling, running, walking, I can't help but see it occur.

Why ? Seriously I did not see a car come to red lights and drive through like a cyclist had done.

Dublin city council just tweeted about the new location of bus stops along the C2CC route. I did not realize that the stops on North Strand are being permanently removed (Strandville and Bayview). You will now need to walk to the Fire Station or the other side of the canal beside the flats.

Were people here aware of this? The North Strand is already super unfriendly to pedestrian with a distinct lack of pedestrian crossings. Now they are also removing the bus stops. I think it's a huge disgrace..

https://www.dublincity.ie/residential/transportation/active-travel/clontarf-city-centre-project/faqs#a24150-25689

Yeah, looks like it'll be 500m between fire station to just past Newomen bridge now. Fair distance for people who might be older, or find it harder to walk.

FYI on my distances - stop 516 to stop 518 is 650m per Google Maps, which is what I was measuring (I used “Five Lamps” and “Annesley Bridge as descriptors for the stops). That will reduce to 550m with stop 516 moving 100m north. But that distance is excessive.

Stop 518 is also served by all the H Spine routes and the 6 in addition to the 53, which is overkill in my view as stop 2255 is sufficient for these. Stop 518 is the stop I felt could certainly be removed. The 53 gets a replacement stop on Annesley Place.

The stop pairing halfway along North Strand (4384 outbound and 617 inbound) should have been retained for precisely the reason you outlined.

Having gone back over the distances, I would share your misgivings also about the stops on Annesley Bridge Road being removed, as that’s creating 600m gaps in both directions, despite a new pedestrian crossing point being added.

On Amiens Street between Talbot Street and the Five Lamps they would get away with one stop in each direction if they left stop 515 outbound where it is now, and merged stops 619 and 675 inbound and located the stop just north of Preston Street.

Moving stops outbound stop 515 and inbound stop 675 closer to the Five Lamps creates very large gaps from the previous outbound stops (at Busaras/Gandon House depending on the route) and the next inbound stops (at Connolly or on Talbot Street depending on the route).

Sadly it will be very difficult if not impossible to change this at this late stage unfortunately as the design work has been done and it’s being built. Why didn’t any councillors notice this? They voted on it!

Tumbleweed at the ready!

Two. One a van driver and one a female in a newish car that would have bluetooth. It's a curse, when riding a motorcycle you can see them in "their" mirrors using the phone.

It depends on the old person. Some are limited in how much they can walk. Add that on at the start and they can often walk less at their destination.

Best practice (per TfL guidance) is a maximum of 400m between stops and shorter distances where demand dictates.

600m between stops as per some of these gaps is not acceptable and frankly I’m amazed that these stop movements got approved.

The bus service is a service for everyone, and the amount of side streets along this road would dictate a maximum 400m gap.

The lack of joined up thinking here is woeful, with no stop in either direction close to the proposed new Connolly Station entrance location at Preston Street. They’ve actually moved the stops closer together either side of the Five Lamps and created a much longer gap.

Inbound Howth Road buses won’t stop between just after the Five Lamps and until after the Store Street junction on Talbot Street. That’s a ludicrous distance.

It's 600m for a start and you're assuming everyone lives at the top of the road. So, NO, it's not 250m of a walk. It's 6-700m walk depending where you live on the side streets.

I guess they are also considering the orbital "O" route. The better solution here would have been to move stops closer to Five Lamps (Northside) and retain stops in middle of North Strand and the stops next to Preston Street.

I'm emailing all local councillors this afternoon regarding North Strand. It's not acceptable.