Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

I've been listening to the "what's coming down the tracks" line since 2014. And I'm still waiting for it.

I think snoopsheep makes a some points, that I do feel are very important in the long term. If people want to accept this deal I have no issue with that, I do have an issue with this deal being portrayed as good. It isn't.

Lowering the bar by saying this is a good deal doesn't do anyone any favours.

6% each year should have been the minimum. I mean the government have had €5.5bn surplus at the end of the July. The question i have is, given how well the government finances are how can you genuinely think the offer is a good deal? I would strike, you have to be willing to strike if you genuinely want a fair deal. Very difficult to properly negotiate if you are going to be too afraid to strike.

Again there's significant long term benefits strikers bring to future negotiations that are not properly valued.

Are you for real this all has to be paid for. The magic money tree of the ECB money printer has been chopped down. I think you lot did very well. These pay rises are taking almost 50% of the fiscal space which it will be when pensions to current retirees are factored in and readjusted. So in effect the government (mainly because it goes into their back pocket too) will be given 13% of the population 50% of what is available, how fair is that? Are we not all seeing inflation? Is it just the public sector seeing it?

So what about the rest of us , is it phuck them is it, are those in the private sector going to do a Oliver Twist on it "please sir can I have some more". Wait tiill more and more SMEs see their power bills like the coffee shop in Athlone nearly 10k for 2 months. There is going to be an absolute sh1tmare this winter. You were all lucky to get what you got the conditions to have a 5.5Billion surplus will not exist come the next budget. Strike away as the general public will not be tolerating any sh1te from unions when they get their increased energy bills and increased food bills over the xmas and have to get through xmas as well and the majority in the private sector are not getting any pay rises I am sure they will tell you where to phucking go . If you go on strike the government should leave you out there for as long as possible and save on your wage.

At some stage you and others like you have to look at the duality that is going on here. With reports saying the young people in this country will be paying 2k more a year just to get by and the retiring age continues to go up and we should be paying more in tax all from the public sector advisors and you want 6% a year pay rise will you go and smell what your shoveling.

Because there is no argument for your attitude

When you get the pay rise your purchasing power will improve from where it is now. No?

Not compared to last year, or the previous years. There's a reason Buliding Momentum has a clause for renegotiation due to inflation, because everyone recognises it recedes purchasing power.

You are correct that the current pay deal increases my purchasing power compared to where it is now but that still does not make it a good deal in my personal opinion. The current strong enomic position of the government just furthe and seeing what else is happening in the economy simply confirm that for me.

Again when factoring all that in I just cant undertand why 3.5% increase this year and next year is so great.