Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

So why does best practice guidance disagree with that view?

The bus service is not just for you, it’s for everyone. That does mean stops at 400m or less, especially in the city centre.

People do have to walk to the bus route on top of the gap between stops.

I realize now on the plans for C2CC, that these bus stops are not included.

For stop 617 (inbound, between Strandville and Xavier), the plans show 3 car parking spaces where the bus stop is currently located. I looked at this multiple times and assumed this was still a bus stop.

How we can possibly contemplate replacing a bus stop with car parking spaces, so that people can park in front of their house while public transport users walk an additional 300m to get to their bus stop. Appalling.

Person takes bus from Howth Road to city centre, and wants to go to Grafton St. Do you all want the bus to drive up Grafton St because its so ridiculous that said person has to walk a couple of hundred metres on the Howth Road to their nearest bus stop?

That's what taxis are for. Being on a bus and it stopping too frequently every 400m or less is ridiculous, and makes the journey longer.

People getting irate here about 200m is hilarious. If you can't walk that 200m then the bus really isn't the best option for you.

It is clear from your message you don't know North Strand. All the side streets are perpendicular to the main road, there is no "direct line" to the bus stop. It is a complicated warren of streets within North Strand and most people live 2-300metres away from the main road.

I'm not sure what people are missing here. Recommended distance is 400m. Current distance is 300m. Planned new distance is 600m.

You don't need to be a mathematician is see that 300 is closer to 400 than 600.

Cars, taxis and buses bomb it through through the North Strand at 60km/h. Speed limit reduces to 50km/h just at the start of North Strand but few adhere to this.

Two of the pedestrian crossings are directly either side of the canal and do not offer much additional benefit. The pedestrian crossing at Springgarden is only on one side of this wide junction.

An ideal position for a pedestrian crossing would have been between bus stops 4384 and 617 (Bayview to Strandville).

Can we not get distracted with this argument. I don't have a major issue with the pedestrian crossings. It was merely a statement that I feel the North Strand is not friendly to pedestrians.

If you sit outside Cloud Cafe for lunch, you might get a sense of what I mean. You frequently see pedestrians running across the wide 4-lane road getting to the main row of shops there.

But this is not what worth discussing as part of the permanent removal of bus stops which is my main issue.

Your use of language such as lazy bastards to refer to the locals who drink in Cusacks says all it needs to say about your character and attitude to residents of this area.

By your logic, we could just remove a third of the bus stops in Dublin. Sure then a a third have to walk "a little further" but sure 100s of thousands would benefit from quicker journeys.

Anyway, I've raised this matter with a number of councillors and TDs and a number of them have already responded. Councillor Burke was strongly vocal of these plans at the time of planning, including removal of bus stops but was ignored. Another councillor has received numerous contacts today from concerned residents regarding the matter. So we'll wait and see what happens.

Yeah I would like to think it's changed in recent times, but it was always 60km/h along Fairview Strand reducing to 50km/h at the Fire Station. There is one of those flashing speed signs at the start of North Strand showing your speed.

Drivers definitely speed through North Strand. The area, including Fairview, have never been treated a village which, in my opinion, have made them pedestrian unfriendly. They are dominated by heavy road traffic. Let's hope the cycleway will change that regardless of the bus stop locations.

If you're standing where the bus stop "used to be" and new nearest one is 300m either side of you, then it's an extra 300m. Don't know where you're getting 100m.

Neither does London, but they do have a full set of best practice guidelines. Or do we just make up as we go along?

No I throw a strop when DCC remove bus stops in my area that go against best practice guidelines.

Best practice guidelines are not just pulled out of someone's arse. They are based on actual research and studies on how humans interact with the world. Going against public transport best practice guidelines when we're trying to encourage out of cars is insane.

AND IT'S THRRE HUNDRED GOD DAMN METRES NOT TWO.

The proposed bus stops are 600m apart, 586m and 592m to be exact.

Not 300m as you keep insisting. Can you read any of the docs please? Or simply look at the image I've very kindly marked up, just in case it's difficult for you to understand.

300 metres 😀 the hardship