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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,365 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The phrase your looking for is

    A wounded dog, hollers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    An election being stolen , interesting you say that.

    Someone else was claiming that the 2016 presidential and 2018 Georgia governor’s race were “stolen.”

    I wonder who that could have been ?





  • Registered Users Posts: 13,690 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Post for me the video of Hillary Clinton standing at a podium near the Capitol and literally claiming that the election was rigged and a gaggle of her supporters breaking into the US Capitol afterward. I'm willing to wait, as to produce such a video you're going to need some good CGI and voice synthesis software. On the contrary, I can provide you pretty quickly with Donald Trump and acolytes doing exactly the above.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,365 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    What was her official capacity in December 2016?



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,365 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    He knows Biden certified that election himself. And held chamber in order as protests erupted.

    He was met with rancorous applause. By Republicans.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    She spent years claiming the 2016 election was rigged, and urged Biden not to concede under any circumstances, so either Biden was going to contest the election result or Trump was....if it has gone the other way American cities would have seen riots in multiple cities...who knows, they may have succeeded in storming the Whitehouse like they almost did in the summer of 2020!

    The only thing we know was rigged was the 2016 Democratic Nomination Process.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    How do you know Biden wouldn’t have conceded? Because Hilary asked him not to?

    Biden held more clout among bipartisan politics than Hilary could only wish for.

    You saying Biden wouldn’t have conceded because Hilary is wild speculation. Fact of the matter is out of the three of them (Trump, Hilary and Biden) only one of them has never conceded, and it isn’t Hilary or Biden.

    I’ve seen straws being clutched but to say Biden wouldn’t have conceded has zero historical or logical basis.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,690 ✭✭✭✭briany


    So, that's a 'no', then, on being able to find a video of Hillary Clinton giving a podium speech on election certification day telling her supporters to go down to the Capitol and 'encourage' those inside to overturn the election. OK, grand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Look, I am merely speculating, I mean, the 2016 Russian collusion hoax was a three year debacle, investigations and impeachment attempts etc...no matter who or what a person believes, Elections are disputed by all parties, Dems and Rep, it is not healthy and needs to stop, I'd be of the view the 2020 was riddled with irregularities but not one single proven corrupt element. In my view that is where it should end....but the temperature is getting too high, you'd worry about the US over the coming years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭Silentcorner




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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Exactly, you’re speculating, but in your original post you were portraying that speculation as fact which you have now admitted isn’t the case.

    There is nothing in the professional or personal psyche of Joe Biden that says he wouldn’t have conceded.

    How can anyone take you seriously when you clearly know nothing about how Biden operates? You based everything on something Hilary Clinton may or may not have said.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    It was more than just Clinton, Warren and a few others told him the same, and there is nothing in the psyche of Biden to suggest he wouldn't...he is calling Republicans "semi - fascists", we can only speculate because Biden won! You can speculate, and I can speculate, it's ok to disagree!



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    The conspiracy theories forum escaped or what? 🤣 Election conspiracy theories without any actual basis don't deserve any time at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,690 ✭✭✭✭briany


    You were replying to my original request to @MisterAnarchy , asking for video evidence, but strawmanning in something else. The fact is that strawmanning and dancing around the question is all some people can do because there is no equivocation to what Donald Trump and his followers did on Jan. 6th. Trump's even been recorded on the phone to the Georgia SoS, looking for 10,000 more votes for himself. Hillary Clinton, despite any protestation, attended Trump's inauguration and Biden certified the result. There is no equivocation in terms of which US party is less wont to engage in peaceful transition of power (hint: it's the Republicans because of the MAGA element).



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    And you are perfectly entitled to your view, as am I! So I'm not sure what you think I'm dancing around!



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,370 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,350 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Says alot when an average mma colour commentator with zero political or journalism experience is the most influential voice lol.

    Nothing with happen to Rogan, he is just another guy likely backed by some billionaire sprouting insane conspiracy theories. There is a million otherJoe Rogans on YouTube, Fox News or wherever doing same thing..



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,350 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    There are the generally agreed sects of fascist regimes, how many of those does current Republican party tick..


    its funny to see the Republican up in arms about this when the same Republican have spent years calling every Democrat most of them traditional conservatives like Clinton's/Obama and Biden) far left every five minutes



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I'm not a particular fan of his podcast but to claim there are a million others like his is a bit of a stretch....he is the most influential voices in American culture like it or not! And he is advocating his listeners to vote Republican, who have just been described as "semi-fascist" by the President, it's a little awkward given what happened to Rogan during the Ivermectin debacle!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Well, as much and all as it is irrelevant to the discussion, I'd have voted for Clinton, Obama and Hillary if I had been in the US over the last few decades!!!

    Generally agreed sects of fascists regimes...."religion and government", the Nazi's were religious?

    Fascism is when Government and Corporate Entities together impose their will on the people. Using media on the state's behalf and censoring opponents.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,951 ✭✭✭Christy42


    The Nazis definitely used religion, they were favoured by the Catholic Church as a means to block godless communism.


    I would argue control over the media in fascist regimes is more a means to an end. Trump never managed that level of control but the point of the media is to build the cult of personality around the dictator that Trump obviously wanted and got from a large segment of the population. It is very much similar to what various dictators have built around the world.

    I would argue Trump wanted that deference from the media, hence his railing against any that ever disagreed with him as being traitors etc. He just failed in getting the level of control required for him to complete his coup.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I genuinely never knew that, and I'd watch a lot of documentaries from that era., to clarify I meant they didn't engage or use the church to get into power and I don't think they imposed Catholicism on the German people..I know the Catholic Church had a very uncomfortable alliance type relationship in the end when they were all running off to South America!!

    I don't think Trump is any kind of dictator, I think he suffers from cartoon like narcissism and at times a child like pettiness alright but the US political system is not like ours or anyone else's, its purpose it ensure it can never succumb to authoritarianism. And of the two parties, the Republicans are the least likely to be in a position to use the system and corporate power to impose their will on the people, the party of the Government is Democrat...and I don't believe they are fascist either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    These Wall St democrats with Biden as their puppet are totally out of control and drunk on power. Calling half the electorate fascists in a democracy is ridiculous and to me speaks to them throwing their toys out of the pram already for what will be a bloodbath in the mid-terms for the Dems.

    Calling those you don't agree with fascists - a sure fire way to get them to vote for you. Clearly they have no intention of converting them, hence why this is just a pathetic attempt to deflect from a disastrous performance the last few years.

    99% of all political donations from employees in Big Tech Cos in the U.S. went to the democratic party. There is quite clearly a bubble in the media and in these massively successful companies which has lead to a groupthink which unfortunately has forgotten about the 50% of voters who actually don't vote democrat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,441 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    You should check your facts. He didn't call half the electorate fascists. Also, proof that it's 99% of corporate donations went to democratic candidates? Who did the Koch corp. donate to?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock



    What was that speech yesterday if not a call to arms. Stoking fear and encouraging his voter base to hate conservatives. Its like something you'd hear from a third world Banana Republic Dictatorship. You never heard such fascist rhetoric during the 8 years of Obama.

    Biden , or rather his handlers , are not uniting the country like he promised , there are dividing it. All because they fear the upcoming elections. Only the gullible are too blind to see a wolf in sheep's clothing when its staring them right in the face.

    As evidenced above , they didn't give a rats ass about the democratic process. And then of course there's the wholly undemocratic election meddling undertaken by big tech, big corp. government institutions and the MSM which was blatant, openly praised, admitted and rampant



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,171 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Didn’t we just have this argument until a poster was thread banned?(not accepting election results)

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭Silentcorner




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,171 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Fascism is a lot more than your definition.


    Yes, the Nazis were very cozy with the Catholic Church in Germany. Hitler understood how important it was the keep them on side and it gave him the opportunity to use Christian iconography. It’s a common myth that the Nazis were atheist or anti religion.


    Likewise Franco was fully supported by the church.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,171 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I'm aware of Franco's support, but I've watched countless hours of documentary from the Nazi period, I have never heard the mention of a religion, let alone the name of a Catholic leader....that is not is dismissal of your point, it wouldn't surprise me that the Church has successfully distanced themselves from that regime.

    Fascism is authoritarian much like Communism and Socialism, we can define it any way we like but the citizens subjected to authoritarian governments all suffer the same! It's starts with persistent state (bureaucratic) over reach into citizens lives who most likely are being conditioned by media acting on behalf of the state!



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