FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

blanch152 · 02-09-2022 1:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119556920#Comment_119556920

Someone was complaining a few days ago that Norma Foley had disappeared over the summer.

Now it seems that her poor hand must be worn out from correcting all those Leaving Cert papers. The poor woman, she must have been at it day and night.

markodaly · 02-09-2022 1:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119556920#Comment_119556920

How is she personally responsible for the marks? Tell us exactly what she did in reference to this.

And I say this as someone who doesn't think much of Norma Foley, but I think less of the Dept. of Education and less again of the Teaching Unions.

jmcc · 02-09-2022 1:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119559569#Comment_119559569

The reason that I don't generally reply to your posts is because they don't demonstrate any understanding of Irish politics. The Greens lost all their Dail seats in the 2011 GE. The Greens, despite your claim, benefited from the Greta Thunberg hysteria in 2020.

Regards...jmcc

Cluedo Monopoly · 02-09-2022 2:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119559699#Comment_119559699

You have a very poor understanding of management. Report that.

blanch152 · 02-09-2022 2:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119559815#Comment_119559815

Report what?

blanch152 · 02-09-2022 2:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119559705#Comment_119559705

The teacher unions and the Department of Education appear moderately competent when compared to the organisation known as the State Examinations Commission.

Three kids through Leaving Cert, all have had issues with papers and won appeals. Incredibly incompetent stuff. No Minister to blame on this, this is on officials and teachers who correct. Simple procedures not followed.

02-09-2022 2:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119559705#Comment_119559705

Fundamentally she's responsible for the dept of education and has been in charge with years

Personally I think the farce around school buses should been enough to force her to stand down,taking whole summer off and realising 2 days before schools going back the level of mess it was.....utterly utterly learned and blindly accepted incompetence

02-09-2022 2:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119559753#Comment_119559753

Greens are polling at 2%,have 5 TDs in off back of SF transfers and have successfully forced out it's progressive members whom helped with the transfer left stragedy adopted by parties at last election

The level of destruction Eamonn Ryan has done to that party will be studied by political science students the world over in the future

jmcc · 02-09-2022 2:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119559881#Comment_119559881

The problem with small sample opinion polls is that while they might capture the national support of a party, TDs are elected at local level.

The national opinion polls miss the local support. Some of the Greens that were elected off SF transfers will not be reelected. The progressive supporters were gullible enough to think that they were voting for a Green Party that was much like the continental Greens (very Left by Irish standards). Some of those progressive Greens went off and formed Green Left but I think that some of the progressives who voted Green will be in play again. They will also be a few years older than they were in 2020 and some will have been directly impacted by the incompetence of FFG on Housing. A few may vote SF but the SocDems could also gain. The progressives, as a group of voters, could cause a lot of problems for FFG in that the Housing issue may upset quite a few of those who bought into FG's new image of being a kind of socially liberal party.

FF still has a conservative rural core even if Martin has completely ignored it. The three main subjects for the next GE, at the moment, seem to be Housing, Health and Energy. The next GE is shaping up to be a bloodbath for FFG. The progressives versus conservatives arguments are going to get sidelined as both sides try to pay energy bills.

The odd thing about Ryan is that he hasn't destroyed the Green Party. He is doing exactly what Greens expected. He's a bit of a gobshite but he's also a very competent politician. FF/FG really underestimated the Greens and their ruthlessness. When his position was threatened by that leadership challenge, he faced it down. The older Greens seem to understand that it is necessary for the Greens to be in government to get their policies implemented. That's a kind of realpolitik of which FF/FG are incapable as they are not ideologically driven parties.

Regards...jmcc

howiya · 02-09-2022 2:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119559695#Comment_119559695

It's up to all landlords to keep up with legislative change in the area. This isn't the left and right hand of RTB saying different things. The Oireachtas introduced new legislation which changed the requirements and like any other business, people should ensure they are in compliance with current legislation.

brokenangel · 02-09-2022 3:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119559753#Comment_119559753

The popularity of the Green party had very little if anything to do with Greta. But it is the easy person to point at finger at by some people because they dont understand the concern a huge amount of people have about the environment. It is easier for some just to brush it away as "Great hysteria" than actually trying to figure out wy the Green vote was increasing. You have provided an excellent example.

Not once in any post have you actually considered that people are concerned about the environment.

In terms of the comment about FF and FG been seen the same, that would suggest you know very little about Irish politics

This is a story been pushed by the opposition parties. That's it. If you knew FF and FG, the history of the parties you would know they have huge differences. Especially at the local level.

Certainly no chance them joining together.

02-09-2022 4:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119560009#Comment_119560009

It will always remain a mystery to me, how a bunch of reactionary Thatcherites managed to capture a social liberal vote......enda Kenny overseen an absolute magic of a PR campaign,but had the personality for it perfect too

Even if half the green vote is up for grabs,as being progressive (personally believe it to be higher,the greens 2020 manifesto was v.forward thinking),it would leave 3.5% of first preferences up for grabs.....putting many socdems or pbp into 50/50 seat winning position (assuming they went entirely to them)

blanch152 · 02-09-2022 5:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119560009#Comment_119560009

The current energy crisis may actually work to increase support for the Greens. After all, if they had been in power for the last decade, we would be exporting wind, wave and solar energy and not be worrying about gas supplies from Russia.

is_that_so · 02-09-2022 5:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119560640#Comment_119560640

Maybe because they've brought in every social change, FF gave the 8th! They still have a leftish social democrat wing that has its roots in the Declan Costello mid-sixties The Just Society document. Kenny, like Bertie, was a good in-person campaigner.

02-09-2022 6:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561183#Comment_119561183

Brought in,when couldn't be avoided any longer,them referendums should been passed 15 or 20 years ago

(still someone with fatel fetal problems can't be gauranteed a abortion,so you'd have to wonder why they bothered with it)

It's a party backboned by reactionary Thatcherites,who many of em in morning would slash and burn social welfare and any state safety provisions.....they could set the housing crisis on a path to permanently being solved in morning,by putting into motion the path to referendum for right to housing.....but they can't Barely bare to tinker around edges,with refusal to solve underlying issues

is_that_so · 02-09-2022 6:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561205#Comment_119561205

they could set the housing crisis on a path to permanently being solved in morning, by putting into motion the path to referendum for right to housing

Apart the undesirability of it, by producing a conflict with the property rights already enshrined in Article 43 of the Constitution, it has potential to screw up the housing market and of course it also pits those who can, will or hope to against those who can't or won't. Legislation can be more effective and more precise and campaigners could have a lot more joy in that area.

brokenangel · 02-09-2022 6:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561006#Comment_119561006

You would hope that would be the reaction and a lot of people I see have this

Then at the same time you have people talking about turf 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

The future is renewables and generating our own power.

02-09-2022 6:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561275#Comment_119561275

This housing crisis is a decade or more going on now,if they haven't sorted it by now,I can't see any reasonable prospect of em ever solving it without an underlying requirement within the constitution to do so

brokenangel · 02-09-2022 6:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561329#Comment_119561329

We will have to wait and see won’t we

Based on teh numbers of houses etc and of course a stop in the war and I expect the numbers will be massively improved

brokenangel · 02-09-2022 6:46pm

And just like magic FF post

#HousingForAll is one year old and it's making good progress.

Since the middle of 2021, almost 54,000 new homes have been either built (25,000) or commenced (28,450).

The number of homes purchased by Households has gone from a low of just under 25,699 in 2011 to 55,298 in 2021.

Great news as we look to get out of this housing crisis

Now if we could only stop the blocking, we would be a lot closer

blanch152 · 03-09-2022 11:20am

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0902/1320218-cso-economic-growth-figures/

A lot of people in the country must be doing well if the tax returns are like this.

brokenangel · 03-09-2022 4:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563989#Comment_119563989

A lot of people are buying and selling houses.

IT companies etc are mad looking for workers etc etc

Also, which has had a huge impact. Brexit, no longer can you buy cheap sh*t from the UK, shop local is really helping local shops etc. Even myself I was always buying stuff from UK, more a force of habit. Not I just shop local all the time.

Plus if you think about cars etc, how many cars imported from UK, people driving over and coming back etc. All shut down.

Yes our selection has decreased but long term it is going to hurt the UK and increase the spend in Ireland.

markodaly · 03-09-2022 4:25pm

https://twitter.com/seamuscoffey/status/1561718449931444224

If you scratch the surface and look globally Ireland is doing very well on many of the big issues.

brokenangel · 03-09-2022 4:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119565550#Comment_119565550

OF course we are, but good news doesn't sell.

howiya · 03-09-2022 6:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119565550#Comment_119565550

Why present data up to 2018? What's happened since?

jmcc · 03-09-2022 8:29pm

Sindo/Ireland Thinks poll. Not great for FFG. Technically, the Greens are in wipeout territory.

SF: 36% (+1)

FG: 21% (-1)

FF: 16% (-1)

PBP-S: 5% (+1)

SD: 4% (nc)

LP: 3% (nc)

AÚ: 3% (nc)

GP: 2% (-2)

I/O: 11% (+2)

September 2022 +/- August 2022

https://twitter.com/NextIrishGE/status/1566138755630653441

Regards...jmcc

03-09-2022 8:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119566772#Comment_119566772

If sinn fein bring vote management they have in the north (think might be an election or 2 too early) and run enough candidates,they will come damn close to outright majority

a juggernaut taking north of 35% first preference,could wipe out many smaller parties I think,likes of soc Dems,labour and greens unless strong personal/local votes are in for a bleak election

Stragetically speaking,if they really wanted a left government,they'd want to trimming that back to 28/30 and platforming likes of Paul Murphy etc in local areas

jmcc · 03-09-2022 8:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119566820#Comment_119566820

It is only one opinion poll. The best thing would be to see how RedC and B&A polls show the parties. The Sindo/Ireland Thinks uses online polling and that generally is unfavourable to FF. If B&A shows a decline for FF then that's serious. B&A uses face to face polling. On these percentages both FF and FG are going to lose seats. It doesn't matter how many people on Social Media talk up FFG as being slightly ahead of SF because elections are about seats. When it comes down to it, FF, FG and the Greens will be competing with each other as well as SF. The real panic will set in for FFG if SF manages to break the 40% mark.

Regards...jmcc

brokenangel · 04-09-2022 12:00am

I said it 2 years ago and will say it again

The only poll that counts is an election

Carry on now 👍👌

thedart · 04-09-2022 1:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119566868#Comment_119566868

Ever watch Early Doors?

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