Liffey valley to start charging for parking

The square in tallaght is going to start charging for parking as well.

There's very little environmental reason to get rid of cars on our roads provided they'll all be fully electric soon and the electricity generated to run them comes from zero emissions renewable energy.

But really this is the Dublin County West forum. Not a place to discuss the pros and cons of owning a car.

Aren't the Deliveroo and Just Eat guys on bikes around there?

The planners should re-zone it back to agricultural if they ever try to sell any of it

I think the issue is more having to pay for the first hour.

Alot of people would just run in and out, go to the shop they need maybe grab a coffee to go and leave.

Anyone working locally might pop over for lunch etc

However when you add these extras onto your trip it may not be worth it.

I think any cafes/restaurants needing lunch hour business will suffer at least at the start.

However as I said previously people will shrug and get on with it, though they might plan their trips better.

I agree with most of what you say but tbh I have very little sympathy for staff.

Having free parking to your workplace is an absolute privilege. (Did they not bring in BIK a few years ago on employers that provide parking....doubt any of them pay that)

I'd imagine most staff are relatively local and could easily walk, take the bus etc but take their car for the convenience of it.

Shopping centres practically know what you had for breakfast. the analytics would put google to shame.

I remember discussing a unit for a franchise I had a few years back. they could give me more accurate projected trading figure than I could do myself and back it up with comparatives. the figures did not stack up.

Cameras and counters on all doors, same on approach roads. ANPR has been operating for many years.

They don't hold any personal data. You literally are a dot on the screen and they know how many dots come in and go out, how long those dots stay and whether those dots are male/female/children.

Weird decision to bring this in now given the economic situation. A last grasp money grab before suburban shopping centres go the way of the dodo?

The Square due to change their fees on 10th September. €1 for the first 3 hours.

https://www.thesquare.ie/customerparking/

Pedestrian crossings are public facilities designed to keep people safe. Shopping centre car parks are private business facilities designed for convenience. See the difference?

Probably driving without insurance cover for delivery work too

Pretty harsh on staff who are very much on the lower scale of wages and who may not have taken the job if they can’t drive to it. Liffey Valley is awkward to get to from a fair bit of the (somewhat) local area. It might be a 10-15 minute drive but it could be two bus rides and an hour away.

Again, this move has nothing to do with public transport and everything to do with increasing revenue for the centre owners

Even harsher on the staff who could never afford a car in the first place that their employer overheads are going towards providing a benefit that only better off staff can afford to use.

Better off retail staff? You’ve lost the plot here. Not for the first time

I started my career in retail and I absolutely loved it so this is not coming from a judgemental place.

There are very few people that commute long distances to work in retail. A lot of managers will specifically hire local as if they need a person in on short notice who isn't rostered to work that day it makes much more sense to have a local pool of staff minutes away.

Unless there's a niche retail unit I'm not aware of in the complex every single store in Liffey valley has another store or multiple stores elsewhere. If the commute is now going to be too long people could request a transfer to another store. It's not like it's a pharma company for example where the next nearest premises is Cork or Galway.

My company announced it was moving premises, business decision, not much you can do ....what did the staff do that the commute was now going to be too long? Sent out cv's and chose somewhere that suited them. Yeah it's sh1t having to leave and start fresh elsewhere especially when not entirely your decision but such is life.

If you’ve a fifty year old Dunnes worker coming towards the end of their €800 per month mortgage working alongside their thirty year old colleague paying €2500 per month rent, which do you think is more likely to be able to benefit from the free parking perk?

Also, supervisors and managers will be earning more than their front line colleagues.

To be fair when I worked in retail the salary bands were very clear , some places even had then on canteen noticeboard.

Year 1 was minimum wage

Year 2 an increase

Year 5 an increase ....it's been a minute so can't remember if there were increases for years 3&4.

Think another increase in Year 10

Long serving staff were on a good wage....if they were working full hours some were probably making more than the managers , who were salaried, on an hour to hour basis.

I can see the 'value' in paying for parking in Dundrum. For €3 I can walk to the car without getting wet in bad weather. I don't need to wear a coat in winter as I won't be outside at all. Additionally there are loads of wheechair spaces (my father uses a wheechair) and a good few EV chargers so I can charge the car while I'm there.

I don't see the value in paying €2.50 for an outdoor space at LV though. Walk up to 500m in the rain and back again. Wheelchair spaces always taken up by people too lazy to walk from a regular space.

I would often pop in for a Butler's when I'm passing, but the extra €2.50 makes that a pretty expensive coffee, so won't be doing that again.

People won’t boycott because it’s not that big a deal. You can choose to avoid if you want but the vast majority of people won’t change a thing (despite the protests of some in here)