PV Feed In Tariff

randombar · 01-09-2022 2:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119554367#Comment_119554367

Yup, most advertised rates are aren't they?

kabakuyu · 01-09-2022 2:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119553768#Comment_119553768

It will be cheaper than my current contact with EI when the rises take hold in October,i will be paying approx 29.6 day and 13.5 night(vat inc) with the likelihood of further increases in Jan.Is it still a fixed unit rate yearly contact with Energia?

paulbok · 01-09-2022 3:14pm

With EI currently and done some rough calcs on the payback.

Unit rate inc vat was 16.1c at time of install, payback was looking at about 8 years then.

New rate in October will be around 27.8c, and based on that, my payback will drop to around 5.5 years. That's without any further increases.

Good chance the way things are going, that after 4 years it'll have payed itself off.

curioustony · 01-09-2022 3:15pm

EI did not put up the standing charges for the night boost plan -- maybe they have been reading here too. Might not be quite so bad as I feared initially.

Need to update a load of rates to do a proper comparison.

Needles to say, not happy!

kabakuyu · 01-09-2022 3:59pm

Just rang Energia, EV plan is fixed for year, I have switched from EI who I suspect will have another hike post xmas,the energia night rate is too competitive to pass up.

og2k7 · 01-09-2022 4:25pm

Moving to Energia but yeah, the new deal with 31% off the table so got the 27% one with day/night tariff

the_amazing_raisin · 01-09-2022 5:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119553988#Comment_119553988

Ha, good luck with that 😉

the_amazing_raisin · 01-09-2022 5:10pm

I'm on a 41% discount with Energia but the rate is variable. I don't use enough night rate to make the EV plan worth it but I'm debating switching to it for the fixed rate

phester28 · 01-09-2022 6:35pm

looked back over the thread but could not find an answer. I am with electric Ireland "dual fuel" and have smart meter but will not sign up for smart plans due to the peak rates

Has electric Ireland said how / when and how much they are going to pay the FIT for solar conforming installs nc6 etc

wexfordman2 · 01-09-2022 6:52pm

I signed up to the energia dn ec rate yesterday :-) i assume the rates yesteedsy will apply not todays rates ?

Niceday20 · 01-09-2022 7:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119555881#Comment_119555881

You should have got an email from Energia with the rates in when you signed up - thats what I got on Tuesday. I would make sure you have that email, but as your signed yesterday, you should be okay,

curioustony · 01-09-2022 8:20pm

It's very hard to keep up with the changes in the rates at the moment. I'm on a smart meter, so all of these are smart meter plans.

I cannot find a BGE FIT anywhere. Is anyone aware of one?

So far this round Flogas & Energia have not announced any increases yet... to the best of my knowledge.

Of course 'round' is a bit rich given the double tap from EI.

I just updated the rates I am tracking (as always for my usage & generation profile)

jkforde · 01-09-2022 8:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119555818#Comment_119555818

hmm, if you have a smart meter but are not signed up to a smart plan, will you be told to in order to get the *metered* export CEG? just curious

Ha Long Bay · 01-09-2022 8:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119556295#Comment_119556295

It's 18.5c

Bord Gáis Energy will offer our customers, both business and homeowners, 18.5 cent per kWh for any excess electricity that they are microgenerating and exporting to the grid under our Microgen Export plan. This rate will be offered to both metered and eligible deemed* customers. We will be publishing more details on how our customers can sign up to this plan in the coming weeks.

https://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/home/microgeneration

DrPhilG · 01-09-2022 10:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119554390#Comment_119554390

The Energia 27.4 & 7.9c rates are including vat.

graememk · 01-09-2022 10:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119557106#Comment_119557106

It's now 28.82 and 8.5!

Boardnashea · 02-09-2022 12:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119546651#Comment_119546651

I was with Electric Ire and out of original term so no break charge. EI retention team phoned me this morning to see if they could hold me but because they phoned me, I wasn't happy to starting confirming IDs etc so they couldn't proceed to tempt me back.

curioustony · 02-09-2022 12:15pm

@Ha Long Bay , thanks for that, it makes BGE the winner for now...

Having said that, my quick survey of rate increases for suppliers in 2022 indicates this might change:

Flogas looks good because they still have a good sign-up bonus (for me)

Energia and BGE are probably going to move down the table.

A lottery right now. Only I know I will not be the winner.

Still without solar this would be full of very very scary numbers.

fuse · 02-09-2022 1:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119559144#Comment_119559144

And there we are

Bord Gais price hikes...I've just switched to them.

I wonder can I go on switching under the 14-day cooling off period indefinitely? 😀

The company has said that from 2 October, the average residential electricity bill will rise by 34% or €48.25 per month and the average residential gas bill will jump by 39% or €43.80.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0902/1320249-bord-gais-price-hikes/

Getting them all in before the budget

DrPhilG · 02-09-2022 1:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119557175#Comment_119557175

Still probably the best on the market.

curioustony · 02-09-2022 1:26pm

@DrPhilG I'm jealous of the D/N meter. Not so much that I will go through the hassle of getting rid of the smart meter -- then being forced to take it back at some point in the next 2 years...

With any luck this will firm up soon.

slave1 · 02-09-2022 2:12pm

Why not, you cannot be "forced" to take a Smart Meter, this has been covered countless times on the forum, just politely refuse it

bullit_dodger · 02-09-2022 2:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119559871#Comment_119559871

I think you can refuse it in the short term, but the expectation in that everyone in Ireland is mandated to have a smart meter at some stage. That was supposedly 2023, then it moved to 2024.

I'll certainly be trying to do a "Charlton Heston" on it......"you can take it from my cold dead hands", but sadly I fear that at some stage in the next 2-3 years I'll have to stomach the pill. Hopefully the smart tariffs will have progressed in competitiveness at that stage.

slave1 · 02-09-2022 2:30pm

There is no mandate and covered in Dail Q&A it can be refused, they only way they'll "force" it is indirectly via withdrawal of price plans by providers but this is very shakey grounds.

Reminds me of the time I got home and the ESB had a ladder on my flat roof extension up to my main roof, I told them to get it down and leave and they said "we're the ESB, we can enter any premises anytime for any reason".

One minute later their ladder was thrown on the public road and that was that. The dope was at the wrong house it turned out.

bullit_dodger · 02-09-2022 2:44pm

Hmm, I thought it was an EU directive that ireland had to comply with, but when I went looking I didn't find anything.

Smart grids and meters (europa.eu)

I'll take your word on it re being able to refuse ad nauseum - but do suspect that they'll not remove the price plans, but make it so insanely expensive to stay on the price plan that we'll all simply migrate. Effectively the opposite of where we are now as lets face it.....if the Smart meters were the right move for solar operators like ourselves, most of us would be on them.

Love your ESB story. LOL

curioustony · 02-09-2022 4:40pm

@Scorpion Sting @slave1 I already have a smart meter. Looking for d/n now would mean I will lose the FIT straight away. Pretty sure that it will be more hassle than I want to take on too. For sure could be different for others, but I'm not going to trail blaze it... Might follow if it is without hassle.

I also think that the prices won't last. The regulator will need to step in to 'encourage' a better distribution of load. The smart meter is the obvious tool to do that.

I can be completely wrong and we end up with a cake and eat it solution. Or new power stations.

redmagic68 · 03-09-2022 10:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119557175#Comment_119557175

Just tried switching to energia by phone. They confirmed again the Pv plan rates are fixed but the lady then asked me what type of electric car we had. Said we didn’t have it so asked about the charger next, same as above 😂. Will get one when we can afford it but it’ll be a few years having just paid for the Pv instal.

she offered me the standard home plan but rates are variable. I went online and switched there where none of the car or charger related questions were asked.

I got it confirmed that the switch had gone though on their webpage despite info saying they were undertaking maintenance. Haven’t received the confirmation email yet so hopefully it comes through. I know a lot were looking at it so just thought I’d give my experience.

hopefully it goes through without hassle but nothing ventured nothing gained and perhaps stay off the sales phones and hope might be the better option 🙂

KCross · 03-09-2022 11:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119560788#Comment_119560788

I already have a smart meter. Looking for d/n now would mean I will lose the FIT straight away.

Apparently not. @ELM327 confirmed via Energia that a switch to a d/n meter/tariff doesn’t exclude you from FiT

unkel · 03-09-2022 12:42pm

It excludes you from any deemed export payment. You won't get a cent in FIT until you then actually have a smart meter installed again in a few years time and your actual export is measured.

Personally I would be reluctant to do that, unless you export very little and / or your night time consumption is huge

curioustony · 03-09-2022 1:02pm

My export so far this year is 1022.61 kWh. ~2 of those was before Feb 15th.

Even though I have a smart meter, EI think I am not eligible for one so are providing deemed. Not much difference in the end, little better off with deemed.

I think FIT will cover one of the nasty winter months, so I'd like to keep it. I don't have a HW diverter, or EV (yet)

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