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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I agree. I am a natural green voter but I just think that ER is utterly incompetent. He’s just gone down his own rabbit hole.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fyi, this is a FG idea that was first announced in 2019



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Any and every great change with positive impact environmentally speaking which was introduced by current lot including window salad boxes and boilers can be dismantled swiftly just after the next election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 783 ✭✭✭Poulgorm


    FF & FG are going to get wiped out in the next election, by their failure to stand up to the Greens.

    We may well have a SF majority government which may reverse some of the Greens' stupidity, but SF are likely to cripple the country by some of the other stuff they say they will do.

    It's hard to be optimistic about this country for the next few years.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    I'm willing to give SF the chance to prove me wrong tbh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    Irish politicians have a balancing act to maintain between the interests of the golden goose (i.e MNC tax receipts) with the EUs stakeholders against the interests of the people who elect them. Fundamentally we have problem caused by the EUs one size fits all policies, as a direct consequence have made property expensive to buy or rent. In addition the EU dictates energy policy to its member states and it is the local politicians job to enforce those policies. Even Sinn Féin are not going to choke the golden goose, all their talk is "eat the rich", they are not going to pick a fight with the EU, their main task on getting power is getting the Irish establishment under their control. Read their 2020 election manifesto, they are fully onboard with green policies.

    Green policies must first be abandoned or sidelined in Germany. Once there is no enforcement from Brussels, only then will Irish politics change. Alternatively, if there is no benefit to having the MNCs domiciled here, then the cost benefit analysis of continued EU membership also changes.

    You should pay attention to the DUARTE case in front of the European Court of Human Rights. If this case succeeds, it won't matter who we elect, they will be bound to act based on the courts ruling.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Your graph is completely wrong.heres the actual record for the past 22k years with projections extended to 2100

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03984-4



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    They'll already be impoverished well before then due to our reliance on Gas.

    Or alternatively we can generate our own power and build better interconnectors with friendly nations instead of being blackmailed by despots to our south and east



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭F34




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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It was designed to speed up the transition away from fossil fuels. It's working but then Vlad decided to throw a spanner in the works. Possibly because he knew his window of opportunity to leverage the gas pipeline was starting to close



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Who is ecstatic at the thought of people freezing??

    The greens want people to use the grants to insulate their homes, to use the grants to improve energy efficiency (saving the household money)

    The greens want to massively ramp up renewable generation which is a massive hedge against oil and gas prices. What's your option? To build more gas infrastructure so we're even more reliant on gas at global market prices?

    What would Putin prefer us to do?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The fossil fuel industry know that renewables are their biggest threat.

    By far. That is why they're spreading so much disinformation about renewables



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    ER is not some kind of dictator. If you don't like him and you're a natural green voter, join the party and vote him out as party leader. I think it's 20 euros a year to join the party



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Do you think an SF-led government would be likely to do that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I posted a link to Nature


    You posted a link to TikTok



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The projections are worthless and the paper does not escape criticism and has since been superseded (last paragraph) . Osman et al. 2021: a flawed Nature paleoclimate paper? They discuss the differences between the preprint and what appeared in Nature.

    For those of you interested this presentation is an excellent description and documentation of the multiple physical processes that interact to warm and cool the earth from the end of the Cretaceous to present day (44 minutes(. Including what and how these processes are affecting our climate today, and what we can look forward to in the future. None of the presentation relies on theoretic climate models!



    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You don't have to accept the projections. The observed part of the record shows that your other graph was falsified

    And the Irish Climate Science Forum are not a reputable scientific body, they are a fossil fuel funded think tank who have never published any research in any peer reviewed journal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Solar power is so cheap now, I think every open air car park wil have solar farms over them within 10 years.

    Every single car park can be generating electricity and selling to the grid, and also charging cars with solar generated power at every parking bay



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    It just means they don't accept your world view.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    No, it means they are an industry lobby group. They accept the world view they are paid to accept.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    And they don't provide any evidence for their contrarian position that they are prepared to submit to peer review



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It was designed exactly the way I said and for the purpose I said.

    Putin had nothing to do with there being zero reductions on electricity bills prior to the end of February this year when we were one of the most expensive in the E.U. for electricity with one of the highest percentages of renewables. And would not have no matter what the percentage of renewables were under the marginal pricing policy. All the policy has done is enrich renewable energy providers.

    How you have gotten the idea in your head that Putin somehow invaded Ukraine because he believed he would sell more gas I have no idea other than it`s nonsensical.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Sweet baby Jesus. I bet that sounded cool and hip in your head as you smacked the post comment button.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ps200306


    To be honest, the naivety of comments like this scares me. Are Green enthusiasts capable of joining dots or doing the most basic back-of-an-envelope calculation? You might as well be talking about Jetsons-style flying cars.

    Based on the number of parking spaces in the country and the size of a standard car space, there are about 475 hectares of car spots in the country. Using data on existing Irish solar farms, you can generate about one megawatt of power per three hectares. Car parks are obviously bigger than just their parking spaces. But that's before you consider that the vast majority of car parking spaces are in urban centres, or even underground. It shouldn't need pointing out that there isn't a lot of sunshine there.

    The generating potential of carparks is therefore probably a few tens of megawatts at best. Then consider that we are not talking about laying a flat roof of solar panels, but arrays that need to be tilted at a 30 degree angle as well as aerially mounted. And you need a grid connection for every far flung car park in the country with a few dozen parking spaces. How can anybody think this would be economically sensible?

    If solar with its low power density has a future in this country, it will be in utility scale projects. Even at that it will struggle. As we've seen, when payments to generators aren't index linked (as they were under the REFIT scheme), and are capped at the strike price (subject to "difference payments" under RESS 2 compared to RESS 1), the price suddenly goes up 30% at the drop of a hat.

    I would be surprised if we don't see very significant price increases under the next auction round and even some of the successful RESS 2 applicants abandoning their projects in the face of construction cost inflation. You simply can't subsidise energy at this level without the chickens eventually coming home to roost, and the consequent inflation creeping into every corner of the economy.

    And of course we're still ignoring the 600 lb gorilla in the room -- the fact that a high level of renewables penetration is predicated on grid-scale storage which is never coming, and treating interconnectors as extension leads to other countries that have hopefully made more sensible energy policy decisions (i.e fracking in the UK and nuclear in France).

    I presume Eamon Ryan is banking on the notion that by the time it becomes apparent his policies have led to a permanent 100%-300% increase in the cost of energy, he'll be able to argue that we are too far down the road to change course. The man is a dangerous nutter leading us to ruin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Not really, they went too deep on socialist agenda. As other poster mentioned it will have to come from outside. Like when most of the EU abandon green agenda simply due to basic survival instinct it will be untenable to try to continue on this road to nowhere (even for SF or whoever else may be in charge).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It is no exaggeration to say it will cost some older people their life.

    I suppose if we have a situation where someones boiler cant be replaced and we have a cold stretch with frost or even 2010 snow that plenty of people will end up sitting in their cars revving the engine for heat.

    I can foresee so much damage from frozen plumbing



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Ridiculous and idiotic policies are usually the best indicator of decline and eventually societal collapse since current system is starting to eat itself from within. New quasi-religions appear, people are being divided in various groups and then set upon each other with vengeance. Misery usually breeds more misery until it is eventually overcome. How big the price for this is going to be is unclear at this moment but it is going to cost us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    which policy’s have led to a permanent increases of 100 -300 % in the cost of energy. 🤔



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    What Green policy is going to led to a breakdown of Irish society 🤔



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