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Westmeath school gets temporary injunction banning a suspended teacher from it's premises

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    #512
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119573471#Comment_119573471

    I think for some one who asserted a false claim with great gusto you should be more careful in posting. I’ve stated the point repeatedly and clearly that if a case could be established that the ethos of a particular religious school runs counter to the law of the land we have a right mess about public funding of religious schools. I’ve said repeatedly that I believe Mr Burke’s case may not be it. I can’t make it simpler than that. And I’ve said all this before.



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    #513
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119573571#Comment_119573571

    Mid twenties at most.

    He and another sibling had their run ins with NUIG as Students about 3 years ago , so he's not that long out of College.

    His families entire raison d'etre is finding hills to die on.

    There have been at least 4 high profile cases involving the family in the last few years.



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    #514
    Faugheen
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119573571#Comment_119573571

    Doubt it. He has an older sister who is a teacher in a different school, and by all accounts is well-liked.



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    #515
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119573532#Comment_119573532

    My Dad used to answer that with, "no, thank you."

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #516
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119573583#Comment_119573583

    No, you said CoI Bishops. Put the goalposts back.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #517
    Tow
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119573583#Comment_119573583

    There are no issues with this school and the law of the land. The problem is with a Burke doing on a uncontrolled rant, much the same as his sister did when not invited to a lunch.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



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    #518
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119573283#Comment_119573283

    Again, really?



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    #519
    ohnonotgmail
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119573730#Comment_119573730

    Why are you replying to yourself?



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    #520
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119573723#Comment_119573723

    I think that will prove to be the case. I doubt he will even get ethos into play and even if he did no church authority will want it opened up for reasons of giving the increasingly secular public a stick to beat them with over public funding of such schools. A statement under oath from a governor might do the trick. Of course, that might trigger something else within the CoI. But I doubt it. Wrong hill.



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    #521
    Ashbourne hoop
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    Why did the school employ Burke ? Surely a basic background check would have showed what him and his family are like ??? A simple rejection letter would have then sufficed ? " Unfortunately Mr. Burke you were unsuccessful at this time. We wish you well in all your future endeavours etc etc....

    I feel sorry for everyone involved at the school.

    Post edited by Ashbourne hoop on


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    #522
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119573766#Comment_119573766

    Exactly..

    Who went "Should we hire the guy that tried and failed to sue his university for Religious persecution or will we hire this other candidate with absolutely zero baggage attached" and decided , "Religious Persecution guy it is!"



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    #523
    Tow
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    Having gone to both COI and Catholic schools, I would always view a COI school as being the more liberal. It would appear the art of compromise and knowing to keep your mouth shut was missing from their home education. I am left wondering how Mrs Burke taught her children to solve arguments between them selves and/or their parents. I suspect they are somewhere on the autistic spectrum. Geniuses, but not well adjusted.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



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    #524
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    i think you would be incorrect in a lot of presumptions there.


    they are behaving exactly as they intend and individual victories are not the aim- or they would have changed tack by now.


    religious fundamentalism of this type may be rare in ireland but its not historically unknown here - santry postwomen for starters- and its not like the westboro baptist church doesnt exist as a template abroad either.


    all they want is publicity for their self righteousness in the cause of control of others under the guise of a very particularly stringent inability to compromise on a narrow interpretation of the chosen words of a chosen god. nothing strange about it, alas.


    plenty of others happy to disrupt society for causes just as silly, of course.


    where they get the money from, thats one question. whether they keep getting away with it is the other.



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    #525
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    I don't think they're being asked to transition so pretty clearly not remotely the same as getting a Muslim to eat pork. Asking them to have human decency and recognizing a person by their chosen name isn't that outrageous...



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    #526
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119574017#Comment_119574017

    The issue of "compulsion" isn't really the point though. He was asked to do something completely legal by his employer which he then refused and has since then gone on a rampage of disruptive behaviour

    To follow your Muslim/pork analogy - If a Muslim chef was working in in a restaurant that historically sold vegetarian food but then the management decided that they needed to cater to wider clientele so they add meat to the menu , including pork. If the management go to him and say "Can you prep and serve our new Menu?" and he says that he cannot due to his religious convictions , he's not being "religiously persecuted".

    They might be able to come to an accommodation with him and say "listen you can continue to prep the veggie dishes over at that station and not have to be involved in the meat prep if that works" which might be acceptable , but if it wasn't and the guy felt he had to leave then again that's not compulsion or constructive dismissal or whatever , it's just how things work out sometime. I'm sure the owners would give him a great reference to help him get a new job as well.

    Now , if the Chef went out into the dining room and started shouting at all the customers about how they were disgusting for eating meat and how they were all going to hell etc. etc. , the owners would be perfectly entitled to fire him on the spot.



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    #527
    KaneToad
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119574052#Comment_119574052

    Human decency though is subjective.

    I think this case does pose a legal question; teachers right to religious beliefs are protected by law but I'm not sure that students belief is protected by any law.

    It's a pity that it's a child is at the centre of this. It would be much better to have this tested in the courts with adults only.

    We can all have our opinions on Burke but I don't think the law has caught up with public opinion.



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    #528
    Sardonicat
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119574090#Comment_119574090

    Which, I presume is entirely why Mr Burke is at what he's at .



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    #529
    Fandymo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119573224#Comment_119573224

    What ones are they??



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    #530
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119574017#Comment_119574017

    Mary Elizabeth Truss is now Prime Minister. It must be blasphemous to call her Liz 😶

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #531
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119574180#Comment_119574180

    It's quite common, they are called Fa’afafine and Fa’afatama

    This link describes it.

    The Tuilagi family - they of Rugby fame, have a sibling who identifies as a third gender.



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    #532
    TaurenDruid
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119574180#Comment_119574180
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119574324#Comment_119574324

    And here's some more: https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/two-spirits-one-heart-five-genders



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    #533
    Canterelle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119574017#Comment_119574017

    You cannot be compelled to change your beliefs. You are simply being asked to accept that some people identify as a gender different to that assigned to them at birth. You do not have to believe that "they are an actual literal woman".



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    #534
    freshpopcorn
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    https://twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1566805468470820864


    Found guilty!



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    #535
    ohnonotgmail
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    It is not often I feel sorry for the inmates of Mountyjoy prison but this might be one of those times. imagine sharing a cell with that pain in the hoop.



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    #536
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119575022#Comment_119575022

    So , how does this work?

    He stays there until he promises the court that he won't break the terms of the Injunction?

    An Injunction that he broke 4 days running following it's issuance last Tuesday - He went to the school Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and was finally arrested after turning up again on Monday.

    Surely that promise should it be forthcoming, is bordering on worthless at this point?

    Also , what happens if he does do it again ?



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    #537
    ohnonotgmail
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119575124#Comment_119575124

    if he purges his contempt and breaks the injunction again he goes back to mountjoy.



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    #538
    DarkJager21
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    I can't stand the guy or his family, but it does raise questions about how far you go to suspend belief. Should we really allow a situation to develop here where 0.000001% get to dictate parlance for the majority? There is nothing to be gained by complying with this ( apart from 1 student out of 400/500 not getting his/hers/theirs/its feelings hurt) but when did that become the norm? When did the whims and feelings of 1 person out of 30 become paramount over fact reason and logic?


    Edit: Don't even try asking this on the Reddit thread because they don't like loud noises in the echo chamber over there. Poor cretins will be shocked when they leave college and enter the real world.



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    #539
    freshpopcorn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119575094#Comment_119575094

    Some prisoners often share the views of Enoch in my experience.

    They might be there for robbing people blind or killing somebody but they've a strong faith and no what's against God!



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    #540
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119574017#Comment_119574017

    Hang on - you said you're ok with their being allowed to exist (very nice of you) and then refer to their existence as a "charade"...?

    Of course it's about compliance. People have to comply with human rights enactments and laws - always have. It's nothing new.

    Finally, not about transgender as you well know. It's about how state employees treat people in their charge - by the kids, vulnerable people, minorites, customers, whatever. And if it'd not with respect, they get fired, suspended, and so on. Same as any other job.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #541
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119575022#Comment_119575022

    Well that's one way of cutting back on your electricity bill...

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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