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Better Call Saul ***Spoilers***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭wylo


    Yea I’ve never recovered from BB in terms of anything newer coming along after that, loved BCS but still not as good as BB.

    2 other shows that blew me away were The Wire and Mad Men so I’m thinking of giving them a rewatch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,919 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    86 years to get your soul back is far, far too high of a price and it makes the ending a little unsatisfying. Seeing things from his point of view rather than been neutral makes me feel like he would of only deserved 10 years at most, he was nowhere near as bad as Walt. Overall though I really enjoyed BCS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,094 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    A harsh review of a classic by a Mr White 😀




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,917 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Table Read - BCS S1 E1

    Starts around 3 minutes in.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    I thought the eye contact in the courtroom between Jimmy and Kim was a pretty tender/romantic moment, really nicely captured.

    Kim's breakdown in the bus was pretty incredible acting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭BK5


    Brilliant show, will miss waiting for a new episode every week like back in the old days.

    Only thing is we never got to see the lab being finished and who finished building it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭seraphimvc


    Still cant believe this is over but eh just like BB, we will get so many people talk about BCS for years to come. Like one of my favorite YT channels:

    Indeed I have said it again and again that BCS is a magnificent project that particularly because we already knew most of the characters fate, and somehow they made it work. I would still recommend new viewer to watch BB first (honestly it is more 'viewers friendly'), and then one can go on appreciate the masterful details and works in every episode of BCS.

    Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould team are mad people - I really cannot for wait for their next project.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Brilliant and as expected it ended with him behind bars.

    I liked the final scenes with Chuck, Mike and Walter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    I understand, but lets be real, there is no way he would have turned it down ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭TomSweeney




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,767 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Quite the opposite of pathetic, actually. We call that taking a basic yet effective safety precaution during work, having a bit of respect for their co-workers and friends, and indeed doing their best to avoid significant delays or disruption to a complex television production during a global pandemic :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,646 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,769 ✭✭✭BandMember


    Not to mention the lead actor being in a high risk/vunerable category after suffering a heart attack last year.

    Pathetic post by the OP. Stick to Fox News as that seems more like your world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    :D :D !!! lol


    These guys would have been 2x (3x) vaccinated and tested multiple times per day every day, it's a ridiculous over reaction - even in Feb 2022 ... we knew enough then about omicron to know it wasn't so dangerous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Jesus will ye feck off with your shite to a relevant thread, nobody here cares what you think about some actors wearing a mask



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,917 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    How To Get Out Of Jury Duty Ft. Saul Goodman


    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Ending was crap. Kim admitted she was guilty already?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,095 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Just on Narcos, you’re missing an incredible show there because of your dislike of subtitles. It’s absolutely brilliant. Sustitles don’t bother me. Much prefer to dubbed (shudder!) or a show where the characters are all speaking English even though it’s set in a non English speaking country. I find you almost forget they’re there once you get into the story.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    The read through videos are great and well worth searching for on Youtube. Brings you right into the room with the cast and have lots of funny and memorable moments.



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    I forgot that BCS started in black and white with Gene in Cinnabon. Hadn’t appreciated the full circle back to this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    When was the first appearance of Gene/ Cinnabon - it must have been in Breaking Bad at some point.....I remember thinking, wtf is this about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Yeah - producers had a choice there and could have gone either way with the character; and decided to go one way where with Walt they decided to go another way.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,319 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    It was the first episode of Better Call Saul. The last we see of Saul in Breaking Bad is in the basement of the Vacuum Repair guy, where Saul was hiding out with Walt. Saul mentions that if he was lucky he'd end up managing a Cinnabon in Nebraska, indicating that this was the new identity and location that the Vacuum Repair guy was going to set him up with. So the first time we see him in Better Call Saul as Gene in black and white, it's in a Cinnabon, so it shows that it's post-Breaking Bad in his new identity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭FortuneChip


    Any update on Jeff? Has he gone the way of Huell? Did Marion bail him out?

    I hate how BCS couldn't bring closure to the important story threads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,319 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Marion and Jeff would have testified against Gene/Saul (especially once he was caught as there was no point trying to protect him), and Saul would have admitted to his role as part of his plea deal.

    Jeff probably got a short sentence with Saul taking most of the blame, probably even got community service or something rather than jail time if he agreed to testify against Saul (which ended up not being needed as Saul struck a deal and confessed).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,646 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Depends what your measure of importance is. I wasn't really bothered by that.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Orbital, Supergrass



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,917 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I just picked an episode I thought was the funniest. The one to get Huell reduced time. The church scam. Coushatta S4 E8.

    But it had so much more than that packed into the episode. Mike/Werner - Kim/Jimmy scheming becoming part of their relationship. Nacho looking to exit the game. But Lalo appears in the kitchen.

    There was a bonus in it as well, the actor who plays Nelix in Star Trek made an appearance (Ethan Phillips) as a judge. They packed so much in an episode.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,094 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    In-depth interview with Vince talking about the final season. Rich and his co presenter really where fans of the show and asked some great questions. Some great insights to the episodes including the comforting hand touching Kim on the bus was Vince's wife and the bits of colour in the cigarette was a sign of hope for Jimmy and Kim.

    Also interesting to hear Better Call Saul was going to be a 30 minute comedy show with Saul dealing wit the weird clients coming through his door.

    Vince just seems like a modest down to earth likeable guy


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,532 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,094 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Mike Tribute ❤️😥




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    It was a great show but a terrible ending. It just didn't make sense. He should have ended up in jail, but for him to negotiate 7 years then throw it all away in what is essentially a big romantic gesture is ridiculous. Through the entire series, Jimmy/Saul was very clever in how he manipulated situations - it makes no sense that he would throw away the remainder of his life just to prove a point to Kim - he surely would have come up with a much better, long-term, win-win plan to try win her back or move in with

    It would have made more sense if he had negotiated the settlement but Kim's affidavit had somehow negated that. Meaning he would have to face the full extent of law and the consequences of his own actions. Instead, he almost got away with it, but sacrificed himself for some greater good - which is so uncharacteristic it doesn't make sense.

    It was a pious and noble outcome for an ultimately sleazy character



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭raven136


    What a fantastic ending, so well written, acted, shot


    Loved it. Great show, great ending.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    Overall it was a great series, one of the best ever and as a whole season 6 was incredible, but...

    I always found Saul to be an utterly unredeemable character, so how he got his comeuppance didn't make sense, he got what he deserved but giving himself up and turning down a 7 year deal just doesn't fit the character, I don't think that can be argued...Saul was a monster, maybe not in the Walt/Fring way, but a monster nonetheless, so why the change all of a sudden? he'd been estranged from Kim for years so I find it hard to believe he'd just have a sudden change of heart out of nowhere because of his love for her.

    I think the end was fitting for him, it's just how he got there that didn't work for me, but overall as I said it was an incredible ride, one of the best series I've ever watched and ranks well up there with the best ever in my opinion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,305 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Prodston


    We spent almost 6 full seasons with the good, bad and grey of Jimmy McGill. Saul was certainly a long way removed from Jimmy until the fallout from Howard's fate, but that man was obviously still in there. The man who blew up the sandpiper case initially because he had ruined an old woman's social circle. This same man found himself very close to killing another old woman... until he realised he couldn't do that either.

    Couple that with Kim following through on his bravado about confessing to the police, and having finally been caught, he did some soul searching with his 3 ghosts of Christmas past.

    I've had some of those concerns too, but it's in keeping with Jimmy McGill to do the right thing, even if it's long after the horse has bolted. Perhaps Kim being willing to forgive him his years as Saul is the hardest thing to figure out, but they have so much history, and he admitted his burying his head in the sand about the psychological trauma he'd suffered between Chuck initially, and then Howard and Kim leaving. So if anyone was going to understand that, it was Kim.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    It's a tv show. Loads of people would have liked Saul and he is presented in such a way where you know he's flawed but at same time you know there's a good guy there. At least that's how I viewed the character. Seeing him find his humanity was cliche but I felt it was for those who really liked the character despite all of his flaws.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,095 ✭✭✭trashcan


    That’s the way I saw it too. I always saw Jimmy as a likeable rogue, perhaps pushed down the wrong path by Chucks treatment. The ending was obviously him finding redemption, which was a valid enough choice by the writers I think. I can appreciate that people thinks it’s a stretch that he would have given up the favourable deal he’d negotiated, but I’d forgive the writers that. It’s possibly just as unlikely that he would have been able to negotiate such a good deal in the first place. But if they hadn’t written it that way, then he’d have had nothing to sacrifice, therefore nothing to redeem himself with. I think what was also clever of the writers was in the second last episode, when it looked for a brief moment that he was going to go completely over the edge and murder Carol Burnetts character (can’t remember her name). Perhaps realising what he’d al almost done was also a factor in his later actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭dmn22


    I think the whole point is that if he was to do the 7 years it would show Kim he hasn't changed and he's still that Slippin Jimmy/Saul sleazy conman character who always gets away with it and she wouldn't respect or want to be with him.

    He makes the gesture because he wants to prove he has changed to her even though by doing that, they'll still never be together properly.

    It's a lose-lose situation for Jimmy,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,917 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Apparently they were going to make Kim do the 'finger guns salute' back to Jimmy. But the writers thought that it would make it look too ambiguous. With Kim returning to her old ways etc.

    https://screenrant.com/better-call-saul-series-finale-kim-jimmy-finger-guns/

    If you freeze the scene after it shows Kim's hand was shaping to make the finger gun salute in return.


    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Brashy



    Good catch! I didn't notice that. Some people have complained about the ending, but I thought it was fantastic. Just glad Kim out of it alive!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,919 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Ultimately I think the lose situation is a bit hard to take, it doesn't feel like he deserves his fate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭rtron


    I'm rewatching BB, he does deserve it in fairness. BB rewatch is brilliant by the way. I forgotten a lot of it.

    Got to the part where Saul mentions his second wife to Walt. Also his character at this point is relentless when it comes to making money and screwing people over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,094 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken




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    To be fair, Succession is absolutely brilliant television as well, and probably has broader appeal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,094 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Euphoria and Squid game my arse!

    Bob & Rhea have one last chance at the next Emmys thanks to the season split.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,504 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    Wasn't expecting them to win tbf, this was the most stacked Emmys in recent memory and as much as I loved this show, I can't say they deserved awards any more than the actual winners did. Succession's third season really was top class and the better show of the two IMO.

    With a bit of luck, Bob will get his award next year but sadly that's Rhea's hopes ended because she just didn't feature enough in the second half to position herself for a nomination.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,767 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Vince Gilligan. Rhea Seehorn in the lead role. New show with a two season commitment.

    Never has this gif been more appropriate:




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    Apple TV and Disney are really surpassing Netflix and Amazon Prime now in terms of content.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,532 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil




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