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Top Gun: Maverick

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  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OK, I wouldn't say its better than the original, but I will say, if any movie execs are reading this, THAT is how you do a sequel when a long time has passed.

    Same intro music as the original, same font as the original. For a moment I thought I was watching the original by mistake.

    I had to wonder why, for nostalgia purposes Kelly McGillis was not in it. Turns out she is 65 years old, and while she looks good for her age, she doesn't go to the same well of eternal youth that Tom Cruise attends.

    The scenes with Val Kilmer were very reverently done.

    I felt the whole Rooster v Maverick thing was a bit much TBH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    So I went and watched this for a second time today this time in Odeon Screen 1 at the Point. Its been a while. It was even better the second time.

    I know there was some here saying when they fired missles at the airbase why not the missiles too? I was thinking maybe because then they would have been detected by radar if it can detect missiles. I am sure it can and the whole point was it was to be a surprise attack get in do the job and get the hell out.

    I was last out of the cinema :) and there was a good crowd too. Not full but ag least half full I woukd say.

    The cinema itself was buzzing. I wonder is it like that all the time now? It's rare I go there now.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,189 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Finally got about to seeing it and TBH, while decently watchable and more than holds the interest, I came away entertained but somewhat disappointed TBH. Perhaps expectation had been built up to such a degree that it was never going to hold up in such light.

    I mean, while I had all the exposure that someone growing up in the 80s should do with the likes of the original, I never held it up as a 'great' film. More of a, what would become, standard Cruise vehicle which while certainly defining its part of the 80s movie scene, it never went beyond that. Certainly a recent rewatch shows it up for what it is, with its awful dialogue, some cringeworthy performances and ridiculously implausible story elements. But thats neither here nor there. Its iconic Maverick character was the heartbeat and by far the biggest success with the sequel overall.

    Not many actors could pick up the same character with so many years in between, but Cruise is never anything other than invested in his characters, which while not always a massive stretch from each other across his various vehicles, they at least give their all up on screen. Here is no different, with Cruise effectively and believably showing us a Maverick that you could understand had just continued on with his career and now we're picking up again.

    Yes, the camera work and practical expertise is fine, even if the very nature of the final mission dilutes it somewhat unfortunately which is a real shame. A more grounded and realistic approach might have preferable TBH, but at least it's never boring, and even though it asks the audience to take some leaps with whats on screen it just about pulls itself back from being completely OTT. Helps that you're invested in the Maverick character who is thankfully front and centre, and not just marginalised into the background.

    Less successful is the Penny angle which, while no slight on Jennifer Connelly, is superfluous and very poorly mapped into the plot. By far the biggest danger of clock watching is whenever herself and Maverick are floundering trying to sell us this past 'relationship' TBH. Didn't work at all.

    Other characters in the film are just about what you expect. Standard stuff lifted from the template that makes so many films, including the original. You won't remember their names, or care, because you're not watching it for them. They perform their function getting bounced around by Tom so nothing wrong there. Nice little scene with Val Kilmer is welcome, and even though it veers a little to close to the nostalgia bone at times throughout its runtime with a few too many lines lifted from the original, its hardly the first sequel to fall foul.

    All negatives aside, its a film that at least treats its main draw as it should as opposed to one doing its best to knock him down and beat us all over the head with some new interpretation or something. Overall a decent night's entertainment, but I feel one that's benefitted from its timing and delay into something more than it probably is. Worth a watch on the big screen, but I wish my expectation had been tempered a little.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭thegame983


    I regret not seeing it in the cinema 55" 4k doesn't do it justice.

    Nice simple story with some great action



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,048 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Watched it again tonight, several months on from seeing it in the cinema.

    It's as awesome the second time, though the bigger the screen the better (I knew I should have gone for the 65" 😂)

    As for how it holds up vs the original (which I rewatch every year anyway) .. I would say it definitely ticks the nostalgia/references boxes but still manages to move it forward and in some places probably does some things better.

    If you haven't seen it yet, get on it. Even if you weren't a massive fan of the original (shocking as that is 😂), it's a fantastic old school action movie in its own right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭magic_murph


    Decent but thats about it.

    Some great footage of the flight sequence but not as many as I had thought from listening to all the press.

    It felt like 1.5 hours of build up for a fairly bland mission in that they were fighting a faceless enemy that was over fairly quickly.

    It was more a nostalgic movie and thats fine but I think the success is probably more down to having little competition in the cinema at the same time.

    its grand but not one I'' be watching again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Maverick was always going to be huge commercial success. You may have your own views on the film, and that's fine. But many many people were waiting in massive anticipation for this film once it was announced that a sequel was going to be made. That doesn't apply to many movies.

    It has nothing to do with quality of other movies in the cinema. People were always going to go to see Maverick anyway.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I thought it was one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Starring Tom Cruise, produced by Tom Cruise, glorifying Tom Cruise to a cringeworthy degree. Apart from some decent action shots, I saw nothing to recommend it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    if you had seen top gun at any stage i dont have much sympathy for a poor review of this


    it simply couldnt have been much better as a sequel to an iconic classic- i was delighted by it tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,867 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Will this be released on HBO Max?? it hasn't appeared from me yet. I have a Spanish account.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sadly I can't see past his "religious" beliefs. So, while I can pigeonhole his acting skills (as part of the suspension of disbelief) I can't do the same for him personally. I don't want to drag the thread off course - just commenting on the 'gas man' bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭micks_address


    more likely Paramount plus.. there's no date yet for it.. it might appear on some regional variations of hbo max. I'm surprised Paramount plus didnt go early early with it to push subscriptions..at least match the digital purchase date.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭magic_murph


    It could have been WAY better

    Less Tome Cruise right in the middle of shot.

    More action

    More of a NEW story that essentially copying the original (yes I do know it was a remake but could have been done better

    Had this been a stand alone movie I think it would have been slated



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    went to it last night, pure late 1980's style rubbish, very enjoyable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,054 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I watched this today for the first time. It’s OK, and I get some of the choices made by the writers e.g. to not specify “the enemy” means it’s less likely to seem dated. Another criticism is the use of F/A-18s, but it’s understandable: it’s a carrier attack mission, and the F-35C was barely operational on one carrier at time of filming. Plus, the F-35C might not be much better, since stealth might be of limited value on that kind of daylight mission.

    One annoying factual error: the Tomahawk cruise missile is subsonic, just like the F/A-18: they could never have gone streaking past the planes from way behind, the way they showed it on screen. That’s the kind of blooper that takes me out of the action, really.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,815 ✭✭✭Evade


    It's possible to have Tomahawks fly about 300km/h faster than an F/A-18. The plane going that slow would be very unusual though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    You probably saw this post as a means to illustrate how much you know about planes and bombs. But for the normal movie-watchers among us, we don't know our F-35Cs from our 38DDS. Those of us who aren't obsessed with finding some technical faults in films will just see a flying bomb missing and passing out a plane, and think "that was a close shave". End of thought. And then move on to the next part of the film.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Of all the implausibilities it’s way down the list. Starting with someone paying for a whole bar bill because some dozy bar maid said so…😤😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    If she looked like Jennifer Connelly I probably would too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭breadmond


    I've seen a few ex Navy Pilots say that that's a real thing that happens in Navy bars, you break the rules you buy a round for the whole bar!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Finally caught this; $1.4 billion in the box-office, that's significant. There surely MUST be conversations happening in Hollywood about why this has blown the doors off so spectacularly. At this stage, even the most craven CEOs must notice that audiences flock to feats of daring-do and action that's crunchy, tangible. How many John Wicks or Mission Impossibles or Top Gun: Mavericks does it take before they notice that adult audiences want to be astounded by physicality, not rubbery CGI?

    The plot was almost gleefully boilerplate, while in an attempt to stay apolitical, the script positively busted at the seams trying to keep its antagonist nameless (to the extent that enemy pilots' visors were tinted, to hide the ethnicity), but. But but but. The impact and physicality of those action set-pieces were totally unparalleled - and genuinely breathtaking in places. Joseph Kosinski has quickly proved himself a director with deep fluency in the visual language of blockbuster cinema. Proof that not all those working at that altitude in Hollywood are gormless point-and-shoot indie types out of their depth. Just from a technical point of view, the cockpit scenes were a minor filmmaking miracle, but Kosinski never let it become incoherent or chaotic. Never let the lightning escape the bottle. In the best tradition of films with a muscular approach to vehicular action, dating back to the days of John Frankenheimer's 1966 Grand Prix, the white-knuckle scenes were married to confident discipline.

    This was a film that reminded me of those days I'd watch a film and think to myself: how on earth did they do that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,513 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones




    There’s very good reasons for it. There’s no two seater F35. So you’re loosing the Wizzo. There’s also no actors being filmed in the air. And even if you insisted on the F35 and went CGI, those great in cockpit shots from the hornets would now just look shite as you’d be looking back at dramatic vista of the lightnings bulkhead.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    I'm a fan of Cruise and never really gave a **** about his personal life, so was delighted this film did so well.

    Having watched it today it's a technical phenom but I was more interested in the story. It was OK but elevated by this intangible that Cruise always brings. There's nothing special about it on paper but it works.

    It's like a Marvel film that you enjoy but won't think about much afterwards, only difference is that Cruise proved here why he's such a star.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    Absolute Cheese Fest ... I loved every goddam maverick minute of it.

    Dripping with innuendo and more cringe and goosepimples than meeting your teenage gay stage lover at your wife's birthday party and having to introduce him to the kids.

    Stupendous.

    " It's what my Dad wudda Done "..... I yelped with cringeful joy, almost a minor orgasm.

    Top tastic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,366 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    That was just amazingly good, that is how you do a blockbuster, no better leading man for one than Tom Cruise.

    I love the 80's and the original is one of my earliest childhood memories of the roar of f14's ripping through the sky, but that was even better than the first. Cheesy, predictable but so much fun, I'm seriously considering throwing it on again later.

    When they broke out the F14 at the end I got giddy.

    CGI be damned give me this, Mission Impossible, John Wick, Mad Max. Just pure full on action



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I watched this in the last couple weeks. I never saw the original top gun and I didn't even know what this movie was about but I heard the hype.

    It is watchable but probably only because it contains Tom Cruise.

    The storyline is very weak and very predictable. You always knew the two "enemies" at the start would end with them making it up. Hangman, the "cocky bellend" repairs his reputation by saving them at the end out of nowhere.

    The love story part of it didn't add anything at all. I'm guessing Maverick and the woman had a thing in the original?

    The whole thing actually came across like propaganda for the military.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "I'm guessing Maverick and the woman had a thing in the original?"

    Yes, but she was blonde then and was a fighter pilot instructure before falling back on the bar job.

    The first TG film was a great recruiter for the US military.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Different character in Top Gun, played by Kelly McGillis.

    Jennifer Connolly's character was briefly mentioned as an Admirals daughter in Top Gun, but never appeared as far as I'm aware.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,268 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Correct, she is referenced as the Admirals daughter in TG1 but never actually in the film.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Slightly bemused by its high ratings and success. I heard from many angles that it's good. I was told it was a total cheese-fest and it just owns that.

    Even with those expectations; cheesey films... aren't great though, are they?

    I found it mildly enjoyable but I wouldn't be rushing back to a sequel. Probably give it 5/10 or 6/10. Disappointed compared to the ten or so people telling me it's a 9/10.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,018 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    Easily 10/10 for me



  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    Just got the 4k Blu Ray of Top Gun Maverick.

    Its a shame we didn't get an extended cut of the film with more flight footage or much in the way of extras most of which had already been on youtube.

    I wonder are they holding stuff back for a future DVD/Blu Ray release ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Apparently it's one of the best 4K releases yet? I don't have any 4K discs, my Blu-ray collection is a small selection of my favourite movies so this would make a good 4K addition.

    I'd consider 1080p Blu-ray to look better than 4K streaming so I can only imagine how good a 4K disc looks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,569 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    National Board of Review Best Film



  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wouldn't stream this. Though admittedly, I rarely stream anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Some critic not even thinking the film is worthy of a top 10 of the year catching a bit of heat




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Deleted said already



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,974 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,974 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I've a few blurays of my favorite movies. I've even got a few 4k discs as it was the cheapest way to get the 1080 copy. But I've no 4k player. I do seek out the 4k on streaming. But a others have said streaming quality can be bad. I'm not sure I want to invest in a 4k player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,974 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It's Maverick still in the cinema anywhere? Last I checked it seemed to be gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    It's in the Lighthouse in Smithfield today and tomorrow. Not sure about other cinemas but I do know it was coming back in other countries this month. Must be trying to get $1.5b at the box office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,974 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Cheers, I might have to hope its somewhere else later.



  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    I have both the 4k blu ray and the 1080p blu ray.

    I watched both versions on my old plasma 1080p TV.

    The 4k version actually looks significantly better on my 1080p plasma TV than the 1080p version of the film and I wasn't expecting to see much difference.

    I read somewhere that 4k blu rays can look better on 1080p screens because the 4k format uses much better compression than the old blu rays.

    The only disadvantage of the 4k blu ray is that you get a darker image which you see on all 4k blu rays.

    The darker image thing really puts me off the the 4k format.

    I only bought the 4k of Top Gun because its a big film but for most films standard blu ray is my format of choice.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,974 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Is the dark IQ to do with HDR?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    If you compare the standard blu ray with the 4k blu ray some scenes look very different.

    Like when Maverick is in the Generals office on the 4k version the scene is only half lit up but on the standard blu ray you get about double the brightness in that scene.



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